The Jeremy Kyle Show (9 March 2018)
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00:10On today's show, with Mother's Day this coming Sunday, I thought I'd take this opportunity to meet some amazing mums and share their stories with you.
00:19There aren't many people that make me cry, but you are an amazing lady.
00:24How old was his dad when his dad died?
00:2636, Andrew's 35.
00:28Right, so are you going to be burying him next year?
00:30Well, what does he have nightmares about?
00:32Is there anybody else that would stand by him?
00:34He's my only bear. Nobody wants to know what else I'm going to do.
00:37You've lost me. Who have you got left?
00:39No one. You're going to go down in the next few months, 36, same as your dad, in the same grave as him.
00:45Is that what you want us to see?
00:47Stand there and do the same again.
00:49Well, it's going to happen, Andrew.
00:52What do you make of this lady and everything she's had to deal with?
00:55Inspiration. Strong. I don't think she realises how strong she is sometimes.
01:01Are you going to kick it?
01:03Who does he support?
01:05Arsenal.
01:06Oh, good, she won't be able to score it in the goal then, come on.
01:22CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:33So, my friends, good morning and a big welcome to a special Mother's Day edition of the Jeremy Carr Show.
01:37Now, with Mother's Day this coming Sunday,
01:39I thought I'd take this opportunity to meet some amazing mums and share their stories with you.
01:44We'll start differently. My first guests this morning are a mother and daughter who mean business.
01:48Now, Margie and daughter Stacey are here because Margie's nephew, Andrew,
01:51is quite literally tearing their family apart.
01:54They claim that Andrew repeatedly manipulates his mum, Alison,
01:57so they're here to support her and to tell him,
01:59change your ways because your family have had enough.
02:02Margie and Stacey are on the Jeremy Carr Show. That way.
02:05CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:14You all right? You look terrified.
02:17Welcome to the show.
02:18Now, this is about a young man that I've met already, Andrew, OK?
02:22We, last time on the show, we spoke to him and we spoke to his mum,
02:27and this guy has a major, major drug problem.
02:31Can we just... I'll tell you what we'll do.
02:33Everybody look at this. Just play this clip now, please, Johnny.
02:37Tell me about what went missing this time, the amount of money.
02:40Oh, this is... If he has done it, it's the laws of the law.
02:44Well, this lady was dying in hospital.
02:46You believe he stole £1,000.
02:48Are you on heroin now? No, I'm not.
02:50How long have you been clean for? Your mum doesn't think you are.
02:53I've been clean a couple of days. I've used a couple...
02:56During the test, Andrew did co-operate, but he appeared drowsy.
02:59There's a surprise.
03:00During the test, Andrew was not capable of remaining focused.
03:03There's a surprise.
03:04His psychological condition was not acceptable for testing.
03:07Therefore, I'm afraid to tell you, Jez, the test was inconclusive.
03:10I'm going to shock you now.
03:12I believe you didn't steal the money. I didn't.
03:15Can we please do our best to work this guy and help this guy?
03:18But you have to be totally honest with me, OK?
03:21That's the one understanding that we have to have right now.
03:24You need to be 100% honest with me. No lies.
03:26Do you want to help? Yes. Promise me? Yes.
03:31We saw Andrew, we saw his mum.
03:33You two come from a different school, and I like this.
03:36This is about a Mother's Day special, we want to help Alison,
03:39but you say she doesn't help herself. No.
03:41How?
03:42Well, you phone her up and ask her for money for tarps and food
03:47or gas and electric, and at first she'll say no,
03:50and then she'll give them it, and knowing for a fact what it is,
03:53but it's cos it's her only son.
03:55Hard, Stacey, isn't it? Mother's Day here approaching,
03:57but it's difficult to put your foot down, right?
03:59It is when it's your son.
04:00I totally understand where she's coming from,
04:02because I've got my own son.
04:04And it is hard, but she's got to put her foot down.
04:08Why are you two here today?
04:10I need some sort of help.
04:12But I don't understand, and please don't get this the wrong way.
04:15You say you care about Alison,
04:16you haven't spoken to her for over two years, why is that?
04:19Through Andrew.
04:20Like, we would tell Alison what Andrew was doing.
04:22Has he stolen from you? No.
04:23What are you going to say to the mum, Alison, today?
04:25Basically, to open her eyes and see what he's like,
04:28what he's using her for money.
04:30We're all in the same boat, we want to make him right,
04:32but we've got to be strong, right? Let's get her out.
04:34Mum Alison on The Jeremy Carr Show, that way.
04:36APPLAUSE
04:41Welcome back.
04:44They make a point, don't they?
04:46My eyes are open. They've always been open.
04:49Well, they haven't, you've wiped his backside for ages.
04:51No, for nearly ten years, I never saw him.
04:54And I wouldn't see him.
04:56Why didn't you see him, Alison?
04:59Because he brought him to me house.
05:01And I disowned him yet again.
05:03And then after nearly ten years, I went to Peterborough.
05:06He knew I was coming.
05:08And was he there? No, he wasn't.
05:10I walked round Peterborough like an idiot, looking for him.
05:13And then, that was in August. Yeah.
05:15His birthday was in October.
05:17No money. He was always wanting money,
05:19always on the phone for money. He didn't phone for...
05:21Do you think you have cream soft or not?
05:23I reported him missing to the police in January.
05:26I thought he was dead.
05:27I was convinced he wouldn't come knocking at my door.
05:29That was it.
05:30Do you let him back all the time?
05:32Is there anybody else that would stand by him?
05:35He's my only man. Nobody wants to know him.
05:37What else am I supposed to do?
05:38He's your only man.
05:39What did he do when he came home? He had changed.
05:42How old was his dad when his dad died?
05:4436. Andrew's 35.
05:46So, are you going to be burying him next year?
05:48Well, what did he have nightmares about?
05:50Well, the plots there for him.
05:52He needs help.
05:53Because if I don't know this...
05:55Don't you start! I know you know it.
05:57Andrew, I'll get to you.
05:59He's lied to a lot of people.
06:00He's got a girlfriend, which, don't take this the wrong way,
06:03amazes me, because the troubles that he's gone through,
06:05the lies he must tell.
06:06This is Debs on The Jeremy Carr Show. Give her a round of applause.
06:17I need you to be as honest as they've been.
06:19You had no idea, did you?
06:20No.
06:21What's life like with him?
06:24He's honest.
06:25Yeah, every day is about the next fix,
06:27wherever he gets it from.
06:29Takes the money off me, basically.
06:31So you're enabling him as well?
06:33Yeah.
06:34Why did you stay with a man like that?
06:37Truthfully.
06:38Because he's normal, he's lovely.
06:40But he isn't normal, is he? He's a heroin addict.
06:43This is why we're here.
06:44I want my child back before I bury him,
06:46like his dad, at exactly the same age,
06:48probably exactly the same date.
06:49Words are good, actions are more important,
06:51and you have to be firm.
06:53This is not going to be nice.
06:54After this break, this is not going to be nice.
06:57I don't care that it's not going to be nice,
07:00but I've seen and done it too many times
07:02when the parents, the siblings are like,
07:04oh, it'll be... No!
07:05I've forgiven him that many times,
07:07and after the ten year he was away and he came back,
07:09and I told him when he came home a couple of years ago,
07:11this is it.
07:12If it starts again...
07:13But if he does not do what I tell him to do after this break,
07:16and I'm not trying to shock anybody, he's going to die.
07:18Fact. Andrew's next. Don't go anywhere. Right back.
07:20You've lost me. Who have you got left?
07:22No-one.
07:23You're going to go down in the next few months,
07:2536, same as your dad, in the same grave as him.
07:28Is that what you want us to see?
07:30Stand there, Andrew, and you'll see him again.
07:32It's going to happen, Andrew.
07:43Thank you very much indeed.
07:44Welcome away from the road, Margie, Stacey, Alison, Debs,
07:46all centred on your son, your nephew, your cousin, your boyfriend,
07:50this guy who, let's just repeat this, OK,
07:53was given heroin by your brother, who's no longer here,
07:57at 12, was injecting it from 17, was selling it at 13,
08:01watched his father die of it.
08:03Half of his life has been on heroin, more than half of his life.
08:07And it's easy, isn't it, for me to sit here and be quite firm
08:10and quite harsh.
08:11But unless somebody sticks a size 10 up his backside,
08:14this ain't going to get any better.
08:15Andrew is back on The Jeremy Carl Show. That way.
08:18APPLAUSE
08:24The first thing I've got to say is, where were you?
08:26I seen you, Stacey, a few weeks back on the street.
08:30You didn't ask how I was, where I was living,
08:33you didn't say, can you and your mum come and see how my flat was.
08:37I know exactly where you're living, I've seen the state of your flat.
08:40You have? Yes, I have, on the video you sent us on Facebook.
08:43And also...
08:44Why did she not come to your flat?
08:46Why did she not come to your flat? We had it straight last time.
08:49Why would she not come? Cos she's ashamed of you
08:51and she doesn't want to be in a drugs den.
08:53Come on, Andrew, let's be honest about this, shall we?
08:55She didn't know I was back on...
08:57That's the state of you in your flat. Have a look.
08:59That's the state of you in your flat.
09:01Why would anybody want to go there?
09:03Come on.
09:04I got sent that video of that flat in the other week.
09:06I got sent that and I had to look at that
09:08and that's when I realised how bad it was.
09:10In the other week? Realised? It's been going on for 15 years.
09:13I didn't see him for 10, I've speak to him on the phone.
09:15You don't like what I'm going to say? Not good enough?
09:17I know.
09:18Ten years you don't see your son cos you know he could have died.
09:21Now, people last time said,
09:22Oi, oi, oi, people said that I was soft with you,
09:25that I bought too much about you,
09:27but I believe that you want to change.
09:29Don't have a go at these people.
09:31Go look in the mirror, mate, this is you.
09:33I know I've got a problem. What?
09:35I know I've got a problem and I'm trying to help you,
09:37so if I can't help you, you can help yourself.
09:39How are you going to help yourself? How?
09:41You don't tell me anything, you hide everything from us.
09:44We had to go and tell your mum. I'm gobsmacked.
09:47We had to go and tell your mum, that's why...
09:49Today, today, look at me. Sit back and look at me.
09:52I'll change your life on one condition.
09:54Complete honesty, you've stolen from all of them, haven't you?
09:57Yes. You've lied to all of them. Yes.
09:59You've made pitiful excuses,
10:01but you didn't have the greatest start
10:03when her brother, your dad, gave you herring at 12.
10:06Yes. And then you watched your dad die.
10:08And she gave us cannabis to babysit our children, if you remember.
10:12When I was 12, I used to knock off school,
10:15I used to come and sit and get stoned in your house.
10:18And how long ago was that?
10:20Doesn't really matter when it was,
10:22I don't think my mother ever invited me from school to her house
10:25and gave me a joint, God rest her soul.
10:27I'm being honest, I'm not having a go, right?
10:31But none of that, none of that is a deflection.
10:35This is you, you put that stuff in your body,
10:37you lie, you cheat, you do whatever.
10:39You lied to your girlfriend. Yes.
10:42Look at her, she's lovely.
10:44Best thing that's ever happened to you, you're going to lose her.
10:47This is it with me, how many chances?
10:49You've lost me, who have you got left? No-one.
10:52You're going to go down in the next few months,
10:5536, same as your dad, in the same grave as him.
10:58Is that what you want us to see? No.
11:00Stand there and do the same again?
11:02Well, it's going to happen, Andrew. I've just buried your grandma.
11:05I've just buried your grandma. I know.
11:08Andrew, you need to sort yourself out.
11:10You need to sort yourself out,
11:12because you say that I'm the best thing that's ever happened to you.
11:15You haven't shown that.
11:16So after the last show, you chatted to Graham, what about?
11:19About trying to get a bit of help in what he'd be able to do for us.
11:25What do you want?
11:27I want to come off the heroin.
11:29How are you going to go through the hell of coming off heroin?
11:32I've done it once before. You're not strong enough, are you?
11:35I'm talking now. How difficult would that be?
11:37Very, very hard. Really?
11:39You just phone up your mum, she'll give you a few quid, you get some,
11:42you'll score, you'll be on the methadone, you'll be getting help,
11:44you'll just phone up her, you'll do something, won't you?
11:46You'll lie, you'll cheat, you'll do whatever.
11:48Convince me.
11:50Convince me.
11:51I don't know what's the part wrong.
11:53I need the help, I've kept myself clean before,
11:56and it was only a...
11:57Two minutes, Andrew. Watch.
12:00This is what you disclosed to me after the show,
12:03that you're on £70 worth of heroin daily,
12:07you're smoking spice daily,
12:10you're taking benzodiazepines daily,
12:13you're on a methadone programme, OK.
12:15What was distressing me at that time is that
12:18you're injecting the heroin, all of your veins have collapsed,
12:22except for the one in your groin,
12:24and your physical health is not that brilliant.
12:27When I lost me dad, it was just like...
12:32..I didn't know what to do.
12:35OK, and me life's just been on a rocky road since then.
12:39Every time me dad was out in jail, I was with him.
12:42He was me world, so when he died...
12:46..it felt like I had nobody.
12:50How old was he when he died?
12:5236.
12:53OK, here's the question.
12:55How old are you?
12:5635.
12:57And I'm worried, very, very worried,
13:00that that could be me in a few more months
13:04if I don't sort myself out.
13:07I'm going to work long and hard
13:10to find the best intervention for you.
13:13But you have to have that commitment
13:17towards whatever intervention programme I can find for you.
13:21In all these things across your head, what's that?
13:24I've been high enough, fell off a settee...
13:27Oh, so you didn't accidentally bang your head like you told us?
13:30Did you not know how severe it was?
13:32No.
13:33Right, listen to me.
13:35You are on death row, and if you think I'm exaggerating that,
13:38you're not.
13:39OK.
13:40So, you think you've got what it takes, yeah?
13:43Yeah.
13:45Who's that?
13:47My dad and me.
13:49Your dad killed himself for taking heroin, right?
13:52Is that what you want to do?
13:54I started this a long time ago,
13:56and I remember saying to somebody, you're going to die,
13:58and then they told me about three months later
14:00that this person had died, and I didn't really believe it.
14:03You will go the same way.
14:08I'm going to die.
14:10You will go the same way.
14:14But you might not.
14:24Andrew, Andrew, listen to me.
14:27It is hard.
14:28Listen to me.
14:29This will be the most horrible, hard, difficult time of your life.
14:36This is an unbelievable offer.
14:38This is 12 weeks, residential, no contact with anybody.
14:42Perry Clayman Project, London.
14:44Not just the medical detox, but then afterwards,
14:47working, dealing with all the reasons.
14:50But you will be climbing the walls,
14:52and this will be hell for a period of time,
14:55when that detox happens.
14:57I actually genuinely believe that you not only deserve this,
15:00but will do something about it.
15:02But if you don't, mate, you will die.
15:04Do it for your dad. Do it for your mum.
15:07Do you want it?
15:09Yes, I want it.
15:10Come with me, all of you. Come here.
15:20All these people, and I can't open the curtains.
15:23Andrew, I promise you, I spent my entire life saying this, right?
15:28Never again will you get this opportunity.
15:30Do you understand that? Yes.
15:33I can't be doing this anymore.
15:36And here is the man who's done so much for this show, Perry Clayman.
15:39Good to see you, buddy. How are you?
15:41Nice to see you. Nice to see you.
15:43Andrew Perry Clayman. Andrew, nice to meet you.
15:45We're not messing around. This is Mum.
15:47Now, listen. Don't worry.
15:49Come in, guys. Come in, come in.
15:51Perry, tell him. 12 weeks.
15:53I'm here to offer you 12 weeks residential treatment
15:57at the Perry Clayman Project in London,
15:59where we'll detox you from all the substances that you're using,
16:03but obviously give you the therapy and the counselling
16:06to keep you staying stopped.
16:08And this is a one-time opportunity.
16:11You look terrified.
16:13Because I know how hard it's going to be.
16:15What do you want, death or back? I want this.
16:17They told me you won't do this.
16:19Don't let me down, cos my neck's on the line this time.
16:21This man does an amazing amount.
16:23I don't have to give this to everybody. We can only, right?
16:26Do you want to be dead at 36 like your dad?
16:28You sure? Yes.
16:30Cos these people know.
16:32This is the best, best chance.
16:34This is your destiny in that car.
16:36You mess this up, there's nothing I can do. They'll be burying you.
16:39If you take it and you listen to this man,
16:41you work with everybody, it will be amazing.
16:43Say goodbye. You're going to rehab.
16:45I love you.
16:51Say goodbye to your mum. It's Mother's Day.
16:54Thanks, Perry.
16:59I love you, but I can't do it anymore. I can't do it.
17:02You do it.
17:04Thank you for coming, though.
17:08I'll get you through this.
17:10Big one.
17:12Andrew, you can do it.
17:14Listen, I know it's scary,
17:16but this is the best you will ever get.
17:18It's going to go through her and come out the other side for me.
17:21Get in the car. Go on. Good luck.
17:23Thanks, Keith. You go. Thank you, Perry. Good luck.
17:29Perhaps a weird way to celebrate Mother's Day,
17:31and I know it's difficult, but I promise you, we will do everything.
17:35I think you'll be all right, but you have to be what I said.
17:38Steph and Karen will work with you. You've got to be strong.
17:41Any phone calls, any... No.
17:43Cos that won't help him.
17:45That'll help him, you know. Not taking that stuff,
17:47but it's going to be difficult, all right?
17:49We'll leave you with the girls. Give yourselves a round of applause.
17:52Thank you, guys. Thank you very much indeed.
17:55APPLAUSE
17:57Good luck to them.
17:59Now, my next guests this morning have been through
18:01an incredibly difficult time.
18:03In just seven years, this lady has lost three of her daughters
18:06in separate tragic incidents,
18:08but despite this heartbreaking tragedy,
18:10this lady has shown unbelievable and selfless strength
18:13and those closest to her wanted to surprise her.
18:16Sam...
18:18There aren't many people that make me cry,
18:20but you are an amazing lady. Have a look at this.
18:23Sam has been through every parent's worst nightmare,
18:26not only once, but three times.
18:28She's had to be strong for her grandchildren
18:30and nobody deserves a treat more than they do.
18:32I was Emily, Amy and Abi's headteacher
18:35through Park Primary School.
18:37Sam, Geoff and the family have been through so much grief,
18:41but Sam has been unbelievably strong
18:43and has just taken over and been a real mother to Chantal and Jensen.
18:47Through her own grief, she's gone on with the job
18:49of bringing them up in a positive way,
18:51bringing their mother's memory alive to them every day.
18:54It's been so hard for her.
18:56If anyone deserves something for herself, it's Sam,
18:59and he would give all the family a little bit of happiness.
19:03I'm one of Amy's best friends from school
19:05and I've known Sam for many years
19:07and what she's done for them kids is absolutely brilliant.
19:10She's such an inspiration and they're so lucky they got her.
19:13Love you, Sam.
19:15No-one deserves a treat more than Sam does.
19:20Sam deserves a treat every day,
19:22though a Mother's Day treat would be an especially fitting and poignant one.
19:25She experienced every mother's worst nightmare
19:27when she lost three of her own children,
19:29two of whom were mothers themselves.
19:31Though devastated and distraught,
19:33Sam repeatedly rose to the occasion.
19:35Steadfast and faltering, she toils daily
19:37to ensure that her remaining grandchildren and son
19:40have the best chance possible to live a loving, healthy and happy life.
19:44She continually ensures that the memory of her late children
19:47is kept alive and fresh in their minds.
19:49She's so strong and is an inspiration to all her family and friends
19:52and I can think of no-one more deserving of a Mother's Day treat than Sam.
19:58Ladies and gentlemen...
20:00APPLAUSE
20:02Ladies and gentlemen,
20:04Sam, our best friend, Bevan, her son Nathan,
20:07on The Jeremy Carr Show. Give him a round of applause.
20:10CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
20:13Listen, I've done this a long time,
20:17read this story this morning.
20:19I know there's been some publicity on this.
20:21I cannot imagine, as a parent, to lose one child,
20:24but to go through that three times, I mean, I absolutely salute you.
20:27You bring up your grandchildren.
20:29Nathan, I know, as Sam will talk to you in a sec,
20:31but take me through this, sweetheart, if you can.
20:34I lost Emily eight years ago.
20:37She just turned 15.
20:40She had...
20:43It was, like, drigolated, but not by your hands.
20:46It was a friend's party, wasn't it? Yeah.
20:48How do you recover from losing a child?
20:50Did you think that you would ever be able to carry on at that point?
20:53Not at first, I didn't know.
20:55I really didn't think, like, you know, at first.
20:58Like, you know, but as the years get on, then...
21:03Like, being strong and everything,
21:05and my other daughters and my son as well.
21:07In 2012, Amy, how old was Amy?
21:10How did she die?
21:12She had ill health from the age of 18 months.
21:16She had papillomas, warts on her throat.
21:21She had one lung from the age 11, she did.
21:25And she was...
21:27Infections all the time, in and out,
21:29but then she had two massive strokes then,
21:32and she was in a coma.
21:35And then they found out that she had cancer in her bowel,
21:39and in her liver.
21:41Her son Jenson was 11 months at the time when his mother died.
21:45This lady took this kid on, who today is six.
21:48He's left, yes.
21:50But that wasn't it. No.
21:52Your third child. Yeah.
21:5418 months ago, um,
21:57Arby died in a house fire.
22:00She died.
22:02Um, yeah, but it's smoking elation, and it was.
22:06My mother killed her.
22:08She had a daughter, Chantel.
22:10Nathan, can I bring you in here?
22:12What do you make of your mum?
22:14She's unbelievable.
22:16So good with her kids.
22:19She's excellent, like...
22:22You bring these kids up? Yeah.
22:24There are people watching this, myself included, actually,
22:27who are thinking the injustice that you would get from losing one kid
22:31would be enough to send you nuts, two, three.
22:33Yeah. How do you turn that...
22:36I don't know. How do you...
22:38She gets up every morning, gets these kids dressed, ready for school,
22:42and the love she's got for them, the love they've got for her,
22:46and it's just, they keep it going.
22:48They have a reason for living now.
22:50It's not one day goes by that the girls are not in her head.
22:53Every single day, she has updates.
22:55You talk about them every day.
22:57You had no idea about this this morning, did you?
22:59No. You were just coming to watch the Jeremy Carr show,
23:01seven day out.
23:03Well, we wanted to salute you for Mother's Day,
23:06cos I just, genuinely, I think you are unbelievable.
23:10APPLAUSE
23:16We wanted to bring the kids, because what you've done for these children...
23:19And, you know, we do this show every single day.
23:21There are many people in your position who couldn't have coped
23:24and maybe those kids would have gone in care.
23:26Six-year-old Jensen, four-year-old Chantel on the Jeremy Carr show.
23:29Give them a round of applause.
23:31APPLAUSE
23:38Oh, look at this.
23:46We have some hampers for you for Mother's Day.
23:49Oh, thank you very much.
23:51Because you deserve that.
23:52But then, Jensen, it's not really fair she gets presents, is it?
23:55It's not really fair, Chantel, is it?
23:57Do you want some presents?
23:59Right, get the kids' presents out for me, please.
24:02APPLAUSE
24:06In the front, there we go.
24:08In the front, in the front, in the front, in the front.
24:11Is that cool? See, that's good.
24:17Wow. Thank you very much.
24:20Jensen, what do you make of your nan?
24:22How cool is your nan?
24:24He loves you, Nan.
24:26Jensen, how cool is your nan?
24:28What football team do you support?
24:30What football team do you support?
24:32Cardiff City?
24:34What? Who, then?
24:36You don't know, do you?
24:38Is that nice?
24:39Is your nan nice, lady?
24:43I came in this morning...
24:45Right, completely, just ignore me.
24:47I came in this morning and I made a vow.
24:49Look at me.
24:50I wanted to do something really special.
24:52This will probably make me cry.
24:54I lost my mum a year ago,
24:55and people should appreciate their mothers every single day.
24:57We're going to fly you to Tenerife, the four of you.
25:02We're going to send you...
25:05You and Nathan and the kids.
25:07We're going to send you to a private villa with a pool in Tenerife
25:10a given week that suits you this year.
25:12We've got you free flights courtesy of Eden Travel in Cheshire.
25:15They're going to do the whole thing for you.
25:17It's going to be amazing, because what you do is just unbelievable.
25:21And everybody should salute this woman.
25:23Give her a round of applause.
25:25That'll be all right.
25:28You got some sun, didn't you?
25:30Thank you very much.
25:31Oh, my God.
25:32It's all right.
25:33It's all right.
25:34Thank you, thank you.
25:35Really good to meet you.
25:36Give him a round of applause.
25:41Listen, a massive round of applause for this amazing lady
25:44and more after the break.
25:45Give her a round of applause. Thank you.
25:48I'm here to find out if Keely is your sister.
25:50You said I grew up as an only child and this would mean the world.
25:53Yeah.
25:54When was your mother?
25:55She was 16, two years ago now.
25:58On Mother's Day?
25:59Yeah.
26:00The DNA test results show that Keely and Jaydeen...
26:11Are DNA doubts ruining your relationship?
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26:43Welcome back to a very special Mother's Day show.
26:45My next guests today are potentially half-sisters, Keely and Jaydeen.
26:48Now, sadly, two years ago on Mother's Day,
26:50Jaydeen's mum passed away.
26:52Now, since then, she's been determined to find out more
26:54about her extended family.
26:55Today, she's here with my next guest, Keely,
26:57to find out, with DNA, if indeed they are half-sisters.
27:00Massive, massive moment.
27:02Keely's on the Jeremy Carr Show that way.
27:03Give her a round of applause.
27:12This is an extraordinary story, but I just...
27:14It sure is.
27:15I mean, you read it out like that and you go,
27:17I was actually bumped into what could potentially be
27:19my half-sister, Jaydeen, a week ago.
27:21But it goes back further than that.
27:23And can I just say now, because I think it's important,
27:25you have different mothers.
27:26Yeah, we do.
27:27She has her own story to tell about that,
27:29but there is a chance that you could indeed share the same father.
27:33Who is still alive?
27:34Yeah, he is still alive.
27:35Tell us how...
27:37Not just the supermarket.
27:38Go back.
27:39How did you find out about her?
27:40There was not really much I can say apart from that
27:43she messaged me in 2016,
27:45said she potentially could be my sister.
27:47Out of the blue, you had no idea.
27:49How did you deal with that?
27:50I talked to it with my siblings and stuff,
27:52and then amazingly, just last week, I bumped into Asda.
27:55You'd never met her?
27:56So how do you know when you bumped into her in Asda
27:58or any other leading supermarket, by the way?
28:00I just had these, like, butterflies in my stomach
28:02where I felt like it was instant attraction to lead towards her,
28:05and I'd just seen her and everyone slowed down around me.
28:08It was like something out of a love story,
28:10but for siblings, basically.
28:13So the great thing about this story, potentially,
28:16is the two of you have had very little idea before 2016.
28:20There's wider family to consider.
28:22There is, and I'm going to have to keep searching, aren't I?
28:25But this is the first step.
28:28Excited? Nervous? What?
28:29Apprehensive.
28:30You seem quite cool.
28:31Apprehensive, because I just feel like she is,
28:33for some weird reason.
28:35You've got that... That's something funny, isn't it?
28:37Cos when I do this show and people go,
28:38I've got definitive proof,
28:39and then a lot of them come along and they go,
28:41that's just a gut instinct thing.
28:42Gut instinct can, in many cases, turn out to be right.
28:45But you just have a feeling that this girl...
28:47I just had a feeling.
28:48Would you be delighted?
28:49I would be delighted for all of us.
28:51I have to say, when you read about Jadine's story,
28:53she's been through a hell of a lot,
28:55and certainly, for her at this time of year,
28:57this would be a major, major flip, wouldn't it?
28:59Let's get her out. Lovely girl, by the way.
29:01Jadine's on the Jeremy Carr Show. Thank you.
29:03APPLAUSE
29:12Oh!
29:18Jadine, welcome to the show. Thank you so much.
29:20I'm here to find out if Keeley is your sister.
29:23You said, I grew up as an only child, and this would mean the world.
29:26Yeah. I grew up knowing that I had sisters on my mum's side,
29:30but they weren't a part of my life,
29:33so I was still classed as an only child.
29:36I know from what they've told me about you
29:38that you're not one of those people who feel sorry for themselves,
29:40but you have had quite a hard upbringing.
29:42You were put into care at eight?
29:44Yeah. For...
29:46Your mum was ill, wasn't she?
29:48She was quite ill, and she just sort of deteriorated through the years.
29:52You sadly lost your mother?
29:54At the age of 16, two years ago now.
29:57On Mother's Day? Yeah.
30:01We've got a lot to catch up on, haven't we, Keeley?
30:04What would having a family, having not, in effect, had one,
30:08having lost the only person who was a constant in your life
30:12so sadly two years ago on Mother's Day,
30:14what would having a wider family mean?
30:17Well, it'd mean everything, because family does mean a lot to me,
30:21and having family with me
30:24and knowing that I've got more family out there,
30:26it just means that I've got more support,
30:29and it just means there's more of me out there.
30:33Listen, I hope so for you, but I can only read it out. You all right?
30:37I'm all right. Oh, my God.
30:39Give me a hug. It's all right.
30:41The DNA test results show that Keeley and Jaydeen...
30:45Happy Mother's Day, you half-sisters.
30:47CHEERING
31:08Oh, my God.
31:11Oh, my God.
31:15Spare part.
31:21Oh, don't leave us hanging, Jen.
31:26Well done. All right.
31:28Listen, listen, listen.
31:31Good news. I feel so pleased for you.
31:33I know you've had a hard time. We're going to support you,
31:36and we're going to do what we can,
31:38but I'm really pleased that you managed to get some family,
31:41especially at this time of year.
31:43Oi, you. Oi.
31:45Look after your new half-sister, because she needs the family.
31:48Really nice to meet you. Give them a round of applause.
31:51Lovely, guys. Well done.
31:55Good luck to those two.
31:57My next guests are here after living every parent's worst nightmare.
32:00At just 20 weeks pregnant, this brave mother was told
32:03that she had only a 50-50 chance of survival.
32:06Now, miraculously, he pulled through,
32:08and those around her want to celebrate the sheer strength
32:11and love this lady shows day in, day out.
32:13How are you, Michelle? Give her a round of applause, those young ones.
32:17Have a look at this for you.
32:21Hiya, Michelle. Just want to say how much I love you
32:24and how well you've coped with Reggie's condition.
32:27You're a fantastic mother to Reggie and Caitlin.
32:31You're doing absolutely brilliant, so keep doing what you're doing.
32:34You're fantastic, and I love you loads.
32:39Hi, Mum. We just want to say how fab you are and how much we love you,
32:42and we're really proud of you, and we love you so, so, so much.
32:49Michelle and Luke, come this way, guys.
32:51You all right, darling?
32:53You're surprised about that.
32:56It is Mother's Day. This is a special show,
32:59and I just want to ask you, because I've watched your face.
33:03I want to start with you. What do you make of this lady
33:05and everything she's had to deal with?
33:07Inspiration.
33:09Strong. I don't think she realises how strong she is sometimes.
33:13You had to try so long to conceive.
33:16You almost gave up hope, you told my team, of ever having Reggie,
33:20and everything was going smoothly to that 20-week scan. What happened?
33:25Just a normal 20-week scan.
33:27I was getting measurements, and she thought everything was fine.
33:30She asked her supervisor to come in and double-check
33:33she'd done everything correct,
33:35and that's when he was in the same spot on my tummy.
33:38It felt like an hour, but it was probably only about ten minutes,
33:41and then he said, I just need to go and get my supervisor.
33:45And then another ten minutes, I'd say, and it was just complete silence.
33:49With that, I just broke down. I knew something was wrong.
33:52I thought he'd passed away.
33:54Worst moment ever?
33:56Yeah, yeah.
33:58And you can't explain the feeling, can you?
34:01We'd waited so long. We knew he was a boy.
34:04What was the diagnosis, sweetheart?
34:06It was hyperplastic left heart syndrome.
34:08He's got no left side of the heart. It just didn't grow.
34:12What does that mean in layman's terms?
34:15The left side of the heart is the side that does everything, more or less.
34:19It's the most important side.
34:21He was only a few days old with that first operation.
34:23Yeah, he was meant to have his first operation at five days old.
34:26He was doing quite well, but then the third day, he deteriorated quite badly.
34:31How is he today? What's the situation with him now?
34:36Health-wise, the best he can be at the minute, heart-wise.
34:41Do you worry every minute?
34:43Every minute, yeah.
34:44You say she's an absolute tower of strength, this woman.
34:47I know you've got your daughter, Caitlin.
34:49You're incredible.
34:50He thinks that this is, quite rightly, about an amazing mother.
34:54You say I'm in awe, really, of how she keeps going.
34:58Yeah, people say to us both,
35:01we're strong, I don't know how you get through it, I don't know how you do it.
35:05But we've got no choice.
35:07You've got to.
35:08Caitlin as well, your daughter, a massive, massive...
35:10Caitlin, she's my best friend.
35:12I think she stayed strong for me because she knew how I was.
35:18She's so...
35:20Chip off the old block, isn't she?
35:22She's just amazing. She's amazing.
35:25Reggie dotes on her, he calls her Nin Nin.
35:27How old is Reggie now?
35:28He's 17 months.
35:30Is that my Reggie?
35:31You thought they both weren't here, but Caitlin and Reggie are.
35:34Give them a round of applause.
35:42He's cool.
35:44Hello, darling.
35:46Oh, little man.
35:48Hello.
35:49Hello, mate.
35:50He likes me.
35:52Say hiya.
35:54Come on, Dad.
35:55Caitlin, really nice.
35:56He's Dad's boy.
35:57Is he?
35:58Yeah.
35:59You got him supporting the right team?
36:00Arsenal.
36:01He's learning.
36:02What team?
36:03Arsenal.
36:04Get off the stage, bud.
36:05Caitlin, welcome to the show.
36:08You told my team it's been upsetting,
36:10but your mum and Lee were always really honest with you,
36:13and that was helpful.
36:14She says you've been an absolute rock.
36:16She has.
36:17Hello, mate.
36:18Say hiya.
36:19Are you going to wave?
36:20Say hiya.
36:21Wave to everybody.
36:22Hiya.
36:23Say hi.
36:24You are so cute.
36:25He's adorable, ain't you?
36:26Do you want the microphone?
36:28Oh, look.
36:29Go on, destroy it.
36:30I love it when kids destroy things because it costs so much money.
36:32Break it.
36:33Go on, I want to see it.
36:34Say hello.
36:35Say hello.
36:36Say hiya.
36:37Hiya.
36:38So the thing was, what Lee was really keen to do,
36:40and I love this,
36:41was that he wanted to say that you're an amazing mother
36:43and this incredible rock,
36:44and that without you this whole thing would have fallen apart,
36:47but he also wanted to say to you that you're incredible
36:51and the way you've supported your mother,
36:53and he knows that the two of you
36:55probably don't get as much quality time together as possible.
36:58We went to the cinema, not yesterday, the day before,
37:01for the first time in over a year,
37:02just me and you, didn't we?
37:03Well, I've got loads sorted for you two,
37:06because it's Mother's Day.
37:08First up, beautiful,
37:09spa day for both of you, courtesy of Groupon,
37:11any location locally of your choice.
37:13Would that be nice?
37:14Yeah.
37:15We're also going to send you to...
37:16You don't have to clap, I've got loads to give out.
37:18We're also going to send you to London.
37:19We're going to send you for a break in London.
37:21Hotel, Style Hotel,
37:22it's an ultra-modern hotel in the centre of London
37:24for the two of you.
37:25Just to include this, because I know, watch her face.
37:28A four-hour make-up masterclass for you
37:31at the London Make-up School in Shoreditch.
37:33We have a laminated gift certificate we'll give you as well.
37:36That's where it is, that's fantastic.
37:38We're going to do that for you.
37:39Cos you're desperately into that, aren't you?
37:41Oh, she loves me, cos she's going...
37:43So, a four-hour make-up course in London,
37:44and then I just thought, what else could we do?
37:46So I'm going to send you to the O2 to see Harry Styles.
37:48Is that all right?
37:50I'll do that.
37:51And then, have we got any presents, by the way?
37:53I've got some presents from Reggie, for Reggie,
37:56and I've also got something special for you.
37:57They're coming on.
37:59I brought you out on Sunday, that's it.
38:01APPLAUSE
38:05That's courtesy of these people, and this is the most...
38:11I'm not going to undo it, but this is an amazing
38:13250-quid make-up thing for you to take.
38:15Is that all right?
38:16Reggie, I don't know.
38:17Ball?
38:19Good boy.
38:21Good boy. It's all yours, Reggie.
38:23It's all yours.
38:25You're a lovely family, I have to say this.
38:27I know, look, we do this every day,
38:29and I get really agitated with people who seem to moan
38:31when they've got nothing to moan about,
38:33and I get really agitated with people like you,
38:35who are dealt...
38:36Oh, he's so cute.
38:37Reggie, come on, kick it.
38:38Are you going to kick it?
38:39Yes.
38:40Who does he support?
38:41Arsenal.
38:42Oh, God, she won't be able to score it in the goal, then.
38:44Come on.
38:45Are you going to kick it?
38:46Kick it, kick it, kick it.
38:48Good boy.
38:50Anyway, listen, have a wonderful time in London at the spa,
38:52and enjoy the make-up, of course,
38:54and thank you for sharing the Mother's Day, OK?
38:56Thank you so much.
38:57Right, that's it, we can do that.
38:59Let's have a look at this.
39:00No, I'll do it, come here.
39:01Come here, come here, come here.
39:02We're going to go to a break.
39:03Back in a minute.
39:04Don't go anywhere.
39:05It is a Mother's Day special.
39:06Yes, what Emmanuel did was incredible,
39:08and I think what was steeped in him by his mother
39:11was equally incredible.
39:12If you look in that direction, this guy saved your life.
39:15Emmanuel and Samantha on the Jeremy Clow show, That Way.
39:28Thank you very much, everybody.
39:29Welcome back to this Mother's Day special.
39:31Today I've been talking to some amazing mums
39:33and hearing their incredible stories.
39:35My next guest, Ben, has been searching for one such mum
39:38and her son, who he says quite clearly saved his life.
39:41You see, Ben was a heroin addict sleeping rough
39:43when he first came into contact with Samantha
39:45and seven-year-old Emmanuel.
39:47Now, seeing Ben struggling, young Emmanuel turned out his pockets
39:50and gave him every bit of change that he had.
39:52Blown away by this kid's kindness, Ben at that moment said,
39:55I'm going to turn my life around.
39:57And now, two years on, this guy is clean of drugs,
40:00he's got clean work, and he is desperate to say a big thank you
40:04to a mother and a son who he says absolutely changed his life.
40:08It's a great story. Ben is on the Jeremy Clow show, That Way.
40:11CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
40:18That's a story, isn't it? It's amazing.
40:21I spend my entire life on this show with people who think
40:25and look like they can't do anything to improve their lives.
40:28This is an incredible story. Just tell everybody what happened.
40:32How bad it was, where you were at.
40:34Well, I got to my rock bottom.
40:36I'd been a heroin addict from the ages...
40:38Well, a drug addict from the age of 12.
40:40Got addicted to heroin from the age of 16.
40:43My rock bottom was homelessness, street begging.
40:46You said that at that moment you genuinely thought you were going to die.
40:50I wanted to die. I didn't want to wake...
40:52Every morning I'd wake up and I thought,
40:54not again, I've got to go through all this again.
40:56I thought you said that they were judging me.
40:58Everybody that walked past me looked at me as a tramp
41:01and reinforced in my mind that I was nothing and I'd never get anywhere.
41:04And then this one particular day...
41:06He came to us with this. I think it's amazing.
41:08Tell the story of what happened that particular day.
41:10Well, I was sat in the doorway begging.
41:13And then this little boy come up to me.
41:16I guess he was about eight or 11.
41:19He said, here, mate, you need to give me some water.
41:22I thought that was lovely. He's gone away.
41:24I don't know what he's done. I think he's gone into the shop
41:27and he's come back out and he's looking at me for a little while
41:30and I thought he's looking at me now thinking I'm a tramp.
41:32That's what I first thought was.
41:34Then he's come back over and he's put his hand in his pocket
41:36and he's pulled out all the change in his pocket, I do believe,
41:39of roughly £2.50 and it's done me then. It just broke my heart.
41:42That's you when you were on heroin. Look at the eyes, look at the demeanour.
41:45Yeah. Do you recognise that man?
41:47That's a face full of fear, that is, yeah.
41:49And he changed everything in your life at that moment?
41:52It was then I just decided I did need help. I just wanted help.
41:55I just couldn't do this life any more. It just choked me up.
41:58I did start feeling sorry for myself, finally.
42:00You said you checked into rehab, you got clean.
42:03Yeah.
42:04All you could think about was this little boy and the mother,
42:06and that's the point of this show, it's a Mother's Day special.
42:09What an incredible job she'd done to teach a kid such morality.
42:13Yeah, because that was genuine, you know.
42:15Did they save your life?
42:17Yes, I'd say so. You mean that, don't you?
42:19A big part of it, yeah, absolutely.
42:21A month ago, Ben put a post on Does FB Mean Facebook?
42:26It went viral, but she had no hope of being reunited.
42:31And then Sam got in touch.
42:33I deleted the video.
42:34Begging on the streets of Banbury, sitting in a doorway,
42:36off my face on heroin exactly two years ago,
42:38in between Tesco's and the chip shop on Middleton Road,
42:41something happened to me that would literally change my life forever.
42:44A young boy about 11 years of age came up to me.
42:46It was raining, I was under a sleeping bag.
42:48He gave me a bottle of water and literally emptied his pockets for me
42:50and gave me everything he had.
42:52Something happened at that moment.
42:53I remember thinking, if this young lad felt obviously sorry for me,
42:56then why don't I feel sorry for myself?
42:58I got straight up and I walked into a drop-in centre
43:00called Turning Point, which is quite funny
43:02because it literally was my turning point.
43:04I was sent to rehab where I spent nine months in treatment,
43:07but that wasn't enough. I wanted more.
43:09I wanted to somehow give back the kindness
43:11that the young boy had showed me.
43:12I started volunteering, going back to college
43:14and currently receiving training to become a wellness coach.
43:17A far cry from homelessness, heroin and alcohol.
43:20I'm just two years... Just short, two years, I'm clean.
43:24I mean, I will probably never meet him again,
43:26but that doesn't mean I can't repay him
43:28by showing kindness to the next person and knowing in myself
43:30that the investment of probably no more than four or five quid
43:33and a bottle of water, but more importantly his kindness,
43:36was the best investment anybody had ever made.
43:38He made an investment in a human being, in the universe, in me.
43:42I'd love to give him this key ring.
43:44It's the highest key ring you can get.
43:46In Narcotics Anonymous, for multiple years of recovery,
43:49it means a lot to me, but without him I wouldn't have earned it.
43:52If you could share this status, maybe he will see it.
43:54Today, I'm two years clean and sober.
43:57I'm thankful for that single random act of kindness.
44:07Amazingly, two weeks ago, the mother got in touch.
44:10You've never seen them, have you, since that day?
44:12I've not seen them, no.
44:13It was a Mother's Day special.
44:14Yes, what Emmanuel did was incredible,
44:17and I think what was steeped in him by his mother
44:19was equally incredible.
44:21If you look in that direction, this guy saved your life.
44:24Emmanuel and Samantha on the Jeremy Kyle show, back row.
44:27APPLAUSE
44:38Thank you. Thank you.
44:41How are you, my friend?
44:43Thank you. Are you OK?
44:45Absolutely.
44:47I've done this show...
44:49I've done this show for a long, long time,
44:52and this is a very, very different story.
44:55When you read that post, what did that mean to you?
44:59When I first read the post, I didn't really...
45:02It didn't go into too much detail,
45:04but a week later, I actually had been on the radio,
45:07and that's when I realised that that was us.
45:09When Emmanuel went to him and gave him the water
45:13and then later on wanted to give him money as a mother,
45:16what did that mean?
45:18I was proud of Emmanuel, cos he was only seven,
45:20and it wasn't the easiest thing to do,
45:22but, yeah, it was the right thing to do.
45:24APPLAUSE
45:30You said that an act...
45:31I mean, this says everything about you as a mother.
45:33An act of kindness can change somebody's life.
45:35If people were kinder, the world would be a better place.
45:38Ladies and gentlemen, this is Emmanuel.
45:40Welcome to the Jeremy Carr Show, you little hero.
45:42Can you believe that you genuinely changed this man's life?
45:46I mean, you're still young, but what you did saved this man's life.
45:50What does that mean?
45:52It just makes me feel like everyone else should be like that,
45:57cos some people are less unfortunate than us.
45:59What do you want to say to him, Ben?
46:01I'd like to give you this, to start us,
46:03because it means a lot to me.
46:06It might not mean much to you now,
46:08but one day you can look back at this
46:10and it'll remind you of what you've done,
46:12cos you did literally save my life.
46:14APPLAUSE
46:24Did your mum, this great lady sat next to you,
46:27did she always teach you there's a right and wrong way to behave?
46:31Yeah, she always told me what's the right thing to do,
46:35so if we saw someone who needed help,
46:40she taught me to always go up to them and help them.
46:44It is a Mother's Day special
46:46and we wanted to give something back to you as a thank you.
46:49So, this is the present moment.
46:51Look at his face. Presents?
46:54We have a family gift ticket to the Harry Potter experience.
46:57Do you like Harry Potter? You're going to be a special guest.
47:00An amazing day. Round of applause.
47:02APPLAUSE
47:10We're going to send you...
47:12If you say no, I'm going to look like an idiot.
47:14You like the space, don't you?
47:16We're going to send you and your mother
47:18a complimentary VIP visit to the National Space Centre.
47:21They've got interactive galaxies,
47:23the galleries of the UK's largest planetarium,
47:25a unique three-day simulator experience
47:27and the iconic 42-metre high rocket tower.
47:30You're going to be a special guest.
47:32The complimentary visit to the National Space Centre as well.
47:35Round of applause again.
47:37APPLAUSE
47:43We're going to send you to the Bluestone National Park Resort in Pembrokeshire.
47:46We're going to give you a weekend break for the whole family.
47:49It's five-star, it's a three-bedroom lodge.
47:51You're going to go there with the whole family and have a fantastic time.
47:54I hope people will understand.
47:56Parents, honestly, watching this,
47:58if you can look yourself in the mirror and say
48:00that you've taught your kid like she's taught her kid,
48:02I reckon we'd all be very proud of the job we did.
48:04I hope you have a fantastic time.
48:06APPLAUSE
48:08And that's for you and that's for you.
48:11But I sit, squat, whatever, in front of a lot of people who will say,
48:14and I want the last word to be with you,
48:16there's no way out, you know.
48:18You changed your life, Ben. You deserve huge respect.
48:20What would your message be for people
48:22who perhaps right now think there is no way out?
48:26Anything is possible if you put your mind to it.
48:29You're in a better place, aren't you?
48:31And you have this family to thank.
48:33Give them a round of applause, guys.
48:35APPLAUSE
48:39Give them a round of applause.
48:41CHEERING
48:43Well done, guys, it's been a great show.
48:45I'm out of time for the day. If you want to be here,
48:47you need my helpers in my website.
48:49The details are on the screen to the guest, to the audience and to you at home.
48:51Thanks for watching. We'll see you very soon.
48:53I'm out.
48:55CHEERING AND APPLAUSE