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00:00It's just, it's not a good look.
00:02Anthony Jones and Colston Loveland
00:04are jawing at each other.
00:06Looks like Jones kind of takes a swipe
00:09at the face mask of Loveland.
00:14Loveland follows with a headbutt.
00:17And then Jones grabs him on both sides of the helmet
00:22and kind of throws him to the side and on the ground.
00:25And then all hell breaks loose
00:27because the entire Michigan sideline
00:30came out onto the field.
00:33And Michigan State sideline did not.
00:36In fact, the Michigan State players
00:38didn't come running over
00:39to get involved with this initially.
00:42Initially, it was all maize and blue
00:47going after Michigan State,
00:49going after Anthony Jones in particular.
00:51And then the coaches come out on the field,
00:54there's staffers on the field,
00:56and they're all trying to keep people back.
00:59And for the Michigan State side,
01:00they did a great job of that,
01:01of not getting other players involved.
01:04But when you're watching it unfold,
01:07you do see Michigan players taking liberties
01:09with some people wearing green,
01:11whether it was a jersey or just a green jacket
01:15because they're a staffer.
01:17And it looks like Kal-El Mullings,
01:20Samaj Morgan, that they are a couple of players
01:25that are involved in something
01:26that looks a little bit more than just extracurricular,
01:30and that maybe at some point
01:31we could hear something from the Big 10
01:34if they wanted to hand down any kind of suspensions.
01:37Nothing was handed out during the game,
01:39which is kind of crazy when you think of it this way,
01:42but the clock is still ticking while this is going on,
01:46while there are players on the Michigan sideline
01:49coming onto the field while the clock is still ticking.
01:52I'm not gonna complain too much about this.
01:54I'm really not, because I'm over it.
01:57State lost the game.
02:00Yes, people want to make comparisons
02:02to what happened a couple of years ago
02:03with the tunnel incident,
02:05and I thought that was way over the top
02:08the way it was handled by Harbaugh,
02:12by Ward-Manuel, by the attorney general,
02:17by everybody involved with that.
02:19I thought it was way over the top,
02:22the way that it was handled,
02:25the way that this was handled afterwards,
02:26it's almost like it didn't happen,
02:28which is kind of strange.
02:29Nobody's really talking about it.
02:31Jonathan Smith didn't pound the table.
02:33Alan Halloran, the athletic director from Michigan State,
02:36he wasn't pounding a table.
02:37Nobody's on the phone with law enforcement to make,
02:40nobody's trying to,
02:41let's gather all the cell phone evidence we have,
02:44none of that's going on,
02:46and yet it's basically the same thing,
02:49except one happened in a tunnel
02:52and one happens on the field,
02:54and when it happened in the tunnel a couple of years ago,
02:55I said on the air that had this happened
03:00100 feet west of the tunnel and on the field,
03:04that nothing would've happened.
03:06It would've just been, oh, yep,
03:07heat of the moment, guys are upset,
03:09fights happen, it's just football,
03:11because that's kind of what it was.
03:13I know Michigan fans always go,
03:14well, we don't throw helmets at players and all this,
03:16and they were getting up and it was unprovoked.
03:18It wasn't unprovoked, and yeah,
03:20helmet swinging, that gets a little bit too much,
03:23and players were suspended for the rest of the season
03:25from the Michigan State side.
03:28Players were brought up on charges a couple years ago,
03:31which was kind of ridiculous when you look back at it.
03:34I'm not calling for anybody to be brought up on charges.
03:37Should there be an investigation by the Big Ten
03:39to see whether or not Mullings or others
03:41deserve to be suspended for a game?
03:44Sure, I think that should happen.
03:47I know Michigan won't do it proactively.
03:50That never happens.
03:52Like, I don't know, for instance,
03:54maybe when you have a player on your team
03:56that got arrested for speeding in an area,
03:57and then there's a gun in the car.
04:00I know they won't address it right away proactively.
04:04They got a big game coming up Saturday.
04:06They can't do it proactively.
04:07They can't suspend them.
04:10But that's a little bit of my green and white side
04:12coming out, and as I try to calm down,
04:15I will tell you all that I don't think
04:17what happened on Saturday night was a huge deal.
04:20The problem is the precedent was set a couple years ago
04:23when, again, it was a similar incident,
04:25and it was made like it was the biggest deal in the world.
04:28That's a problem.
04:29I will also tell you this.
04:31There continues to be a problem at Michigan Stadium
04:35of keeping the teams away from each other.
04:40Michigan's sideline had no business
04:41coming out into the field, and yet they did,
04:43and this was towards the end of the game.
04:46But at halftime, there was also an issue
04:49as Michigan players were trying to get up the tunnel
04:52while Michigan State had not gotten to the tunnel yet
04:54or hadn't finished going through the tunnel yet,
04:56and there's nobody there to stop them.
04:59The officials on the, the referees,
05:01the guys wearing the black and white,
05:03they were the ones that had to stop that from happening
05:05because there could have been something
05:07that happened at halftime.
05:08Fortunately, there wasn't, but I thought over the years
05:11that we've learned things, specifically at that stadium,
05:15that you need to keep the players away from each other,
05:18particularly at halftime and post-game.
05:21But that was a problem there.
05:23So what does this mean in the long run?
05:26Probably not a whole lot.
05:27Maybe a Michigan player or two, maybe they get suspended.
05:31We'll see.
05:32If not, I'm not gonna cry about it.
05:34It is what it is.
05:35It's football.
05:37I don't think it's that big of a deal.
05:39But could it be deserving of a suspension?
05:41Yeah, if they look into it.
05:43Will the Big Ten even look into it?
05:44I don't know.
05:46Will the NCAA do anything about it?
05:48Probably not.
05:49And instead, you're gonna have a game on Saturday
05:52in Ann Arbor, Michigan taking on Oregon,
05:54and they might take some serious lumps in that game
05:57because Michigan has no offense.
06:00And Michigan's vaunted defense, they're good, not great.
06:04And I'm not even sure how good they are.
06:06They're definitely good, but it's not like they're,
06:09oh, they're just this close.
06:10No, they're not anywhere near
06:11what you thought they were gonna be.
06:13They're a pretty decent defense,
06:15but it's nowhere near what they were last year.
06:18Now, it sounds like to me that you don't think
06:20this should be made a bigger deal than it is.
06:22Correct.
06:23After the game, stuff to kneel down.
06:25But something did happen.
06:27And with that being said, and we know the history,
06:29the tunnel, and everything like that,
06:31I'm asking you, do you think the rivalry
06:34has gotten too toxic at all?
06:37No.
06:37Okay, that stuff was just football in your mind.
06:40It wasn't like anything.
06:41It is a rivalry.
06:42These teams hate each other.
06:43The fan base hates each other?
06:44The fan base hates each other.
06:45It's just, it's a rivalry, right?
06:47And the fan base hates each other
06:48during the course of the game.
06:50And nobody, but before the game,
06:52we're friends with the other side, right?
06:55Michigan fans have Michigan State fans as friends,
06:59and vice versa.
07:00I wasn't there.
07:02Normally, I go to this game, but I didn't go
07:03because it was a night game,
07:04and I just didn't wanna deal with it.
07:06If it were a 3.30 kick, I would've been there.
07:07If it were a noon kick, I would've been there,
07:09and I would've been reveling with my Michigan friends.
07:11We've been having beers together before the game,
07:14sharing a brat, whatever the case,
07:15we would've had a great time.
07:17And after the game, we would've gotten back to the cars,
07:20and I had a post-game beverage or whatever,
07:23or it means a Coke Zero.
07:26We would've been fine.
07:28But during the game, it's different.
07:31The switch goes on, and everybody's in combat mode.
07:34It is what it is.
07:35It's a rivalry.
07:37And there's no hiding from it.
07:40The Michigan players admit afterwards,
07:44hey, they're a big rival of ours,
07:45and things get heated, and that's just what happens.
07:48Colston Loveland had the little brother comments
07:51on the field after the game,
07:52and then he walked it back a little bit later on
07:54and said, hey, I may have gone a little too far with that,
07:57and then started giving some accolades to Michigan State,
07:59and said, look, it's just a rivalry.
08:01It is, it's just the rivalry.
08:02Stupid things are said, stupid things are done.
08:05It happens Auburn, Alabama.
08:07It happens Michigan, Ohio State.
08:08It happens Michigan, Michigan State.
08:10It happens everywhere when it gets to rivalry games.
08:13I don't think it's toxic.
08:14Okay, yeah, I mean, I just wanna throw it out there.
08:16I'm not saying it is or isn't.
08:17I just wanna get your thoughts on that,
08:19because things have happened the last few years more.
08:21I don't know if it seems more than other times,
08:23but maybe it's just recency bias,
08:24that it's happening right now, so I'm not reacting.
08:27But you and Doug know how I feel about college football
08:31and college football fans.
08:32Y'all are crazy.
08:33Y'all are crazy.
08:34Y'all are crazy.
08:34And that's part of what makes college football unique
08:37from the pros, you know?
08:37I think it's different between,
08:39yeah, that's the difference between college and pros
08:41is that you have this connection to your school,
08:44and it's not like Lions fans
08:46don't have a connection to the Lions.
08:48But it's totally, yeah, you don't.
08:50And there's nothing wrong with that,
08:51and that's why I want the two,
08:53I can be able to distinguish
08:54between college football and pro football.
08:56Just because I'm a pro football guy
08:57more than college football
08:58doesn't mean I don't like college football,
09:00but I like the differences.
09:01And nowadays, you know, with NIL
09:03and everything going on with money and the contracts,
09:06the lines are being blurred more,
09:07and it's becoming professional sports,
09:08and I don't wanna lose what college football is.
09:11And honestly, what part of college football is
09:12is these great rivalries.
09:13Yeah.
09:14Gotta keep them in check, though.
09:15And it is a great rival.