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00:00How aggressive do you want to get with the Steph Curry window?
00:03This is what we're talking about and I'm going to again keep saying it.
00:07I didn't say this the general manager of the Warriors said this.
00:11Yeah.
00:12I mean, I think we're always aggressive, you know, you got to be mindful of
00:15what you're giving up what you're getting back all those things, but
00:18anything to do to make the team better.
00:19We're going to do we're in a time zone here of maximizing our our window
00:24with Steph and Draymond and Steve is our coach.
00:26So as proven here on the first day, we could basically make trades with
00:29certain players.
00:30We did that and we'll continue to look at things.
00:32But you know, for the most part, I feel good about this team, particularly
00:35on the defensive end.
00:36And now we got a player that we think can create and generate more offense
00:39for us.
00:39I want to evaluate and see but we'll always be looking at stuff.
00:42I do want to tuck this in for everyone from the TK show with Joe Lakob
00:46owner of the Warriors when he was asked about the the Steph window and
00:50maximizing it.
00:51He said this.
00:51I'm always trying to win.
00:52I mean, I don't care if it's maximized Steph years or maximum Draymond
00:55years maximize my years.
00:57It doesn't matter to me.
00:58I mean, we're trying to win at all times and be the best team weekend.
01:03Yeah.
01:06Well, he is 68.
01:08So, you know, if the average life expectancy is about 80, I think for
01:12males in the United States of America.
01:14So maximize his year.
01:15He's got 12 more years on the average.
01:18I don't know if he's thinking about that way, but he's looking to maximize
01:22his years.
01:22Yeah, it's his team and I know he owns it with about 15 other people, but
01:26he is the principal owner.
01:28So I like to me there was a little rare in there just a little bit like
01:34what Steph's window.
01:36Oh, it's all about Steph's window my team my window my team.
01:41I love that.
01:42I don't dislike that.
01:44I do think.
01:47Prediction.
01:48We're headed for someday in the future where Joe Lakob will get and I hope
01:55he's hearing this because he'll hate it and he will completely disagree
01:59with it, but we're headed for a day where he's going to get the wake-up
02:03call that you don't get to win in the NBA just because you're an awesome
02:07owner willing to do anything.
02:09I just don't think it works that way.
02:10I think he's had that wake-up call.
02:12I don't know.
02:12He's never owned a day in his life without Steph Curry on the team.
02:16Nobody's only teams that haven't won and it drives him to want to compete
02:21and get back to where he's winning for sure.
02:23But like so I love the idea of yes, push push push at all times.
02:28That's great.
02:30But the whole light years ahead and we know what we're doing and as soon as
02:34he's gone, we're going to have another answer.
02:37I just I don't know if there's always an answer.
02:39This isn't math.
02:41There isn't always an answer but you can always try to find an answer and
02:45I do admire that sort of a go-getter mentality where he's not seeing it
02:50as maximize Steph Curry's window and then we're going to stink.
02:54He doesn't look at it that way.
02:55I think he looks at it as maximize Steph Curry's window.
02:58Yes, but also keep an eye toward us still having the ability to be good
03:03when Steph is gone and for him that would involve draft capital that would
03:08involve a young core of players who can at least be rotational players and
03:13then going out and landing a big free agent fish, which I bet you he thinks
03:18when Steph is gone and Draymond's gone.
03:21He thinks that he has the ability to go out there and get whatever player is
03:24available that year.
03:25No matter what good luck.
03:27Well, that's that is his it's a wonderful mindset and that's the mindset.
03:31I believe that he has yeah, but I mean how many how much like give me the team
03:36that's in that spot right now where like they're rebooting they used to have
03:44like, I don't know if this is a great example, but let's talk about the
03:46Portland Blazers for a second.
03:49They had a star they had Dame Lillard and they finally realized that wasn't
03:54enough now.
03:55He's nowhere near as old as Steph, but I think Warrior fans get the comp if
04:00you're in that bucket of like Steph is too old.
04:04This isn't happening anymore.
04:05All right, fine.
04:06All right, you got your star and you're not going to be able to win with
04:09them.
04:10What do you do now?
04:12You reboot you send them to Milwaukee you start building assets and you're
04:17in the process of drafting people and trying to find the next dude, right?
04:21How's Portland doing as a free agent destination right now?
04:24It's different story, but not well, right and yes, it is a bit of a different
04:29story.
04:29But my point would be as much as Chase Center is beautiful in the Bay Area is
04:34the Bay Area and the Warriors brand is the Warriors brand if Steph Curry
04:38Draymond Green and Steve Kerr are not here.
04:40This is not the free agent destination that it currently is not as good but
04:45money talks and you know bowl things walk for the big guys though, like you
04:51know what I mean depends on what you're looking at.
04:53I don't know LeBron want to play here because Steph is here not because they
04:57like the color blue.
04:58Well, I do know what I'm saying.
04:59I know what you're saying, but looking at the 2027 list of free agents, which
05:04includes Steph Curry.
05:05Here are the names that are on the list.
05:07Give it to me Anthony Davis.
05:08Okay, he'll be 35.
05:10Giannis Antetokounmpo at 33 Damian Lillard the aforementioned he'll be 37
05:16Nicola Jokic 33 Carl Anthony Towns 32.
05:20I mean these are all maybes by the way because they could sign extensions
05:23in the meantime, but just looking ahead.
05:25That's a pretty monster list of names.
05:27They all sound like they're getting old.
05:28Well Giannis at 33.
05:30I like that on a four-year deal, but Donovan Mitchell Trey Young Luka
05:35Donchic.
05:36These are all players who are eligible to be free agents at that time.
05:39That's just not getting out of there.
05:41Like but the point is if you're Joe Lacob and you're punching up this
05:45list, you're thinking I can at least swim in those waters.
05:48I'm Joe Lacob, you know, and whether or not yeah, and you are looking
05:53come play with Jonathan coming God coming up might be on the cusp of
05:57greatness at that point, you know, by then you will have drafted other
06:00players and maybe you'll wind yourself in the lottery.
06:04Your team then will be different than what it is.
06:06Look, maybe I'm just damaged through years of watching this but I like
06:12Steph Curry, even though getting older is a bird in hand and and no
06:17one else is and this idea of I mean take Bryce Eldridge of the Giants
06:23right now.
06:23I know Giants fans.
06:24Thank whoo, baby.
06:26This guy's firing through the system and he's going to be a dude and
06:30he might I hope he is but maybe not.
06:35Maybe not because every time you've got this player with quote-unquote
06:40promise.
06:40Let's be real feels like about 85% of the time.
06:44No, he's not.
06:45No, he's not and that works in big levels and small six months ago.
06:50Joe Lacob referred to Brandon Podjemski is a future all-star now
06:54warrior fans.
06:54Don't even want him coming off the bench.
06:57So this idea of future promise I pick what I know and I know that Steph
07:04Curry can play at a very high level even still now and so even if this
07:09is not a high, you know percentage play to me.
07:14That's still the play because I know I know if you surround Stefan
07:19Draymond with special people you can cook you can cook something.
07:24I don't know if it's enough anymore to win at all and special people
07:27is that to me is a is a reach because role players like they did before
07:32like they just did with Dennis Schroeder potential like that's a great
07:35move for me.
07:36It's more about those moves than it is about trading three or four players
07:40and a couple of picks to bring in a big boy because I don't think that
07:44that is enough to get you over the hump and get you back to a championship
07:48level.
07:49I don't think that that trade exists and Steph Curry still a very good
07:53player, but maybe it's the Olympic experience and he didn't have a great
07:58restful offseason.
07:59But what you're seeing from Steph Curry is they're playing him less.
08:02He's shooting less.
08:03He's scoring less teams are basically daring everyone else to beat them
08:08and right now that's not working for the Warriors.
08:10Let's go to Jake and Concord.
08:11How aggressive do y'all want to be with the rest of Steph Curry's career
08:17888-957-957 to the number.
08:21Hi Jake.
08:21Thank you for calling man.
08:24How big is the bulldozer?
08:25Okay, I would say that my concern is I don't see.
08:29Any of our young players after three three and a half years of development
08:35that are looking to me like they would be a primary option on a championship
08:39team both offensively and defensively.
08:42I don't see that from Moody.
08:43I certainly don't see it from Kaminga.
08:45He gets lost on defense all the time over helps and that's why we gave it
08:50so many really good looks yesterday.
08:52At least part of the reason I just think you said it burden to hand.
08:58I'm a Warriors fan from 1970.
09:01Okay, and I was here when Rick Berry came back from the ABA and we got him
09:08back and won a championship.
09:10That was a special time.
09:12We didn't have another special time till Steph Curry came along and I think
09:18we miss in a big way.
09:20We miss Jerry West.
09:22It's a shame because we haven't done well at picking fits into the roster.
09:28And fit is huge.
09:30You know, we haven't been doing well on that since West went to the Clippers
09:34and look how good the Clippers are.
09:36They're just abundant with wings and that's what we need to be doing.
09:40Jake.
09:40Anyway, yeah, great.
09:42I can.
09:43Yeah, Jake.
09:44I listen.
09:45I'm in full agreement and I do think Warrior fans some of them have forgotten
09:49who we used to be before Steph Curry.
09:52They really have like this is like suddenly now we're fooled into the idea
09:57and I get that there's way better ownership in place now, but we're fooled
10:01into this idea that like you get to be good in the NBA just because you're
10:05trying to be or you're willing to spend or whatever you have got to find
10:11generational talents and they're just aren't that many of them who are
10:16capable of winning NBA championships and maybe the one that you currently
10:20have has expired maybe but I'm not convinced yet.
10:25I'm really not and to me.
10:27It's at least worth giving it a shot.
10:30If you feel like you can put different pieces around him because the whole
10:34the whole concept of guys.
10:36This isn't realistic.
10:37Don't go down that rabbit hole.
10:39That's what it is every year.
10:42I was told that three years ago and they want a title or go back to even
10:46before they picked these guys.
10:49Nobody.
10:49Oh, this is what are we like?
10:51This is you're really going to win shooting threes with a guy who's not
10:56even 200 pounds.
10:58Come on.
10:58That doesn't work in the NBA.
11:00Everything is always a moonshot.
11:03So to me, it's sort of just like what's the likelier moonshot putting some
11:09stuff around Steph and seeing if you can squeeze the orange one more time
11:13or just putting this grip on these young players who quite frankly, let's
11:19be real have not shown any ability at all to be the centerpiece of anything
11:24special.
11:24I disagree with that.
11:25And Jonathan coming is continuing to improve and so to think that he can't
11:30be the centerpiece.
11:31You just mentioned Steph Curry and early in his career.
11:34Nobody thought that he would be the centerpiece of anything at all.
11:37He had bad ankles.
11:38He was a good shooter, but nobody saw the trajectory of Steph Curry going
11:43on to be what he's become.
11:45Now.
11:45I'm not saying that coming is going to end up being one of the greatest
11:48players in the history of the game.
11:49That's just ludicrous to think about that.
11:51But a young player who is improving for me, it's a little foolhardy to not
11:56think that he can continue to get better year after year and in a system
12:00that might be more befitting to his skill set continue to improve and
12:05whether or not you know pods who's what 20 or 21 and yeah, you have a lot
12:10of young players who still have their best basketball in front of them
12:14by year four and I like I get it.
12:17This isn't a perfect cop.
12:18Steph Curry played a bunch of college basketball and Jonathan Kaminga did
12:21not but by year for Steph Curry was already averaging 23 a night.
12:27He was 11th in the MVP race and he was on the verge of being an all-star
12:32which he was starting year five and has been every year since then except
12:38for the year that he got hurt and didn't play.
12:40So again, not not it's not apples to apples.
12:44Yeah, and I understand that better to go to his 22 year old year year
12:48two because that's where coming is at 22.
12:50I don't think that's fair because it's not fair to take a 24 year old
12:54Steph who's playing his eighth year of high-level basketball four years
12:58at Davidson and now under years in the NBA say it's not apples to
13:02apples, but at the same time like I don't think that that that to me
13:06is going too far in the other direction to just be like because they're
13:09both 22, you know by Jonathan coming is 22nd birthday.
13:14He had played in way more NBA games than Steph Curry had Steph
13:18Curry have played in 80 games by the time he turned 22.
13:21Jonathan's played in hundreds and hundreds of NBA games.
13:25Steph had played in a hundred and fifty four by the time.
13:27He finished his 22 year old season.
13:29He'd finished it right tiny played for a terrible team.
13:32So he was given a lot more leash to go out there and play and explore
13:36and learn he started as a rookie.
13:39I get he played a ton and coming is development has been retarded by
13:43the fact that he's been a bench player or not a rotational player at
13:47all because they were chasing champ.
13:48Look if you see it great good for you.
13:51You see it.
13:51I don't see it.
13:52I wonder if they say I don't see it and you know, and then there and
13:56then secondarily, there's that whole conversation about fit the
14:00whole conversation about the Warriors don't fit man.
14:03Well, that's why I look at the future and the light it's going to
14:06be different when correct when Steph and Draymond and Steve are
14:09gone the fit.
14:10Maybe it's a team more like what Jonathan coming it does.
14:13I don't argue that at all.
14:14You are right when you say that my point is I'm willing to.
14:17Take that risk.
14:18I'm willing to take that risk yet for who though and that to me
14:21becomes the interesting part of the next couple of months because
14:24I don't see the player out there like Zion Williamson oft injured
14:30and a guy who's got a huge contract still on the hook and somebody
14:34earlier was talking about LeBron James and that caller call back.
14:37I know you dropped off but that to me is an interesting one about
14:41you know, if LeBron decides he wants to come here and give it a go
14:43it at 41.
14:45He turns 41 two weeks from today.
14:47Did you see the bleep the Bleacher report put together a mock trade
14:51trade for LeBron with the Warriors?
14:53Yeah, just a two-teamer.
14:54Yes.
14:55Okay, and it would already have to be adjusted because Melton was
14:59in it.
14:59Okay, Melton was in it.
15:02But the mock trade was the Laker the Warriors would get LeBron
15:06Cam Reddish and Bronny.
15:08Don't forget Bronny.
15:09Now.
15:09Yeah, get Bronny James in there.
15:11Yeah, the Warriors would give up.
15:13And I know what most of you are going to say.
15:14I'll say it too ready for this.
15:16Yeah, it was Melton's contract.
15:17So now you got to add another 13 million to this but it was Wiggins
15:22Kaminga Podjemski and your 2025 and 2027 first-round draft picks
15:30only protected the first one top one protected and the next one
15:34top three protected.
15:35Yeah, no chance.
15:36Yeah, I'm out.
15:37I'm out on that.
15:38I'm basically giving up both of those picks because your top three
15:42in the lottery is I think three-fourths of the of the teams that finish
15:46in the bottom three.
15:47They have like 25% chance odds of getting the number one.
15:50So unless you're a bottom three team, which you wouldn't be by
15:53adding LeBron, you're losing both of those picks.
15:56The coach in Vallejo is next up on Willard and Dibbs.
15:58Hey coach.
16:00Hey guys.
16:01How you doing?
16:02Sup?
16:04Hey here here.
16:04Here's my take.
16:06First of all, not only I agree with Dibbs that you know, Kaminga
16:10still has a chance but not only looking at him now, but the
16:15excitement that he brings.
16:16So if you're not going to be good, you need to be exciting and
16:19Kaminga is a very exciting player.
16:21One of the most exciting players in the NBA and that's what people
16:24pays to see, you know, if Steve Nash was playing right now at
16:28Jerry West, they're not as exciting as say a Jonathan Kaminga
16:32high-flyer.
16:33But my question for you guys is people always talking about
16:36developing a player.
16:38What exactly does that mean?
16:41And how do you know when a player is developed?
16:43Because here's my example.
16:45Draymond Green is a developed player, but that pass he threw
16:48to Kaminga the other night.
16:51If Kaminga had thrown that same pass to Draymond, they would
16:54have said he's not developed.
16:56But since Draymond threw it, he's a developed player, but he
16:59made the same error.
17:00So what does develop mean and how do you know when a player
17:03is developed?
17:04Well, thank you for taking my call.
17:05Yeah coach, thanks.
17:06He's talking about the pass against Houston.
17:07Right?
17:08I'm never going to whittle down someone's development to one
17:10play like that.
17:11I get where you're coming from coach, but everybody's allowed
17:15to throw a bad pass.
17:16That doesn't mean that you are developed or not developed for
17:19that matter.
17:19So if Jonathan threw that pass, I'm sure the discourse might
17:23be a little different around it and that's life.
17:25Some people have resumes that other people don't have.
17:27Gravitas and equity.
17:29That's the, yeah, that's the rope that you get when you
17:33built up the, what Draymond has built up.
17:37But how do you know when a player is developed versus not?
17:42I don't know if there are specific words to define it, but
17:47to me, it's kind of like what we talk about.
17:50You start seeing things at end of games and end of seasons,
17:54things that work when the rubber hits the road, like go back
17:59to the game in Denver last week and you see, and maybe it
18:03was two weeks ago, but the Warriors stopped scoring and then
18:07Jokic on every single possession down to the other end is
18:11able to score.
18:13That's when you know, to me, that someone is uber developed
18:17because NBA teams, good or bad, can play for three and a
18:21half quarters.
18:21That's why so many of the games are clutch games.
18:24You could get enough talent on the floor to play for three
18:26and a half quarters, but then the energy really hits the
18:29floor.
18:30Everybody puts their finishing five out there.
18:32Everyone plays their hardest and who is able to function in
18:38that environment.
18:39And the Warriors problem right now is that they don't function
18:42well in that environment and you can put that on Steph.
18:46I sort of put it on fit, like they don't have a system right
18:50now where the five people, similar to the death lineup that
18:53we had a few years ago, where the five people can function
18:57and challenge a defense and usually get a bucket.
19:00They don't have that.
19:02When you see that though, that's when you have developed
19:06players and the Warriors right now have too many undeveloped
19:10players that make poor decisions and poor plays in big moments
19:14and it's all their young guys.
19:15That's not just Jonathan.
19:17It's definitely Brandon Pajewski too.
19:18Well, and even of the vets, you don't have a lot of two-way
19:21players and I say that with my eye toward the door so that
19:25somebody doesn't come in and throw something at me because
19:27famously, we were interviewing Bruce Bowen and I referred
19:31to somebody as a two-way player like he was and he said,
19:35they're all two-way players and he jumped me and it turned
19:37out to be one of those funny drops where the idea of a two-way
19:40player is kind of laughable.
19:42But if you look at this Warrior roster, Buddy Heald, good
19:45on offense, not on defense.
19:47Kyle Anderson, good on defense, not on offense.
19:49We could run through the whole roster and the majority of
19:52these guys are not good on both ends of the floor and Draymond
19:56is, Steph, you know, he's pretty good on defense, but he's
19:59so good on offense.
20:00It doesn't matter.
20:00But to your point, when you get down to the end of the game,
20:04what lineup do you play?
20:05Do you play your really good defensive five who can't score
20:08or do you play your run-and-gun offensive team that can't
20:10defend? I'd also answer it this way, Dibbs, like, I mean, to
20:13the point that we're talking about.
20:14So the Warriors and developing players, to me, one of the
20:20challenges that they've really experienced because they've
20:23got those, they had those three draft picks that became a
20:26dynasty. Steph, Clay, and Draymond. And now it's developed
20:31into different things.
20:32Then it became Jordan Poole and he contributed to a championship
20:36as well. But outside of that Jordan Poole, you go back the
20:40last five, six years, and let's take a look at who the Warriors
20:43have drafted and developed. And the names that come to mind
20:46immediately, James Wiseman, Jonathan Kaminga, Moses Moody,
20:51now Brandon Podjemski.
20:53There are some others in there as well.
20:54If you want to throw in a Trace Jackson Davis or whatever.
20:57The problem the Warriors have had is that I think they've
21:04been a team that's wanted to develop players, but they're
21:08not a developing team.
21:09They were a cooked team that was already ready to win championships.
21:14And so this idea of trying to develop young players while
21:18also trying to win a championship and having established
21:22veterans is very, very challenging.
21:24It's almost impossible because to develop, you have to play
21:28and to win, you need veterans.
21:30So you can't play your young guys and still win at a high
21:33level. So how do you go out there and develop?
21:35And yeah, you can go to the G League.
21:37Jordan Poole is a great example where he developed in the
21:39G League and came back.
21:41And you know, now in his second year in Washington, he's
21:43finally starting to figure out the player he needs to be,
21:46right? Because he's getting a chance to develop by playing
21:4933 minutes a night.