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00:00Jordan Poole's in town tomorrow. Do you still wish he was on the team? Let's go to Bodden, Oakland. Hi, Bob. Thanks for calling
00:07Hey, listen as far as the part of the kid, man
00:09I have a two-year-old myself
00:11He'll be three coming up on the 25th
00:13But you just have to try to find what it is that they like and just I mean if you got a repeat give it
00:18To him like mine for dinner. He'll love spaghetti every night if I ask again, he'll eat it all
00:24But as far as Jordan Poole, man, what Jordan was doing was he was starting to smell his self
00:30Jordan he
00:32Knew he came out in the same draft as John the other guys
00:34They all got their their payday and you know
00:38He got the championship ring before those guys and then he got his payday and he already knew coming out in that draft
00:44He felt that he was as good as those guys and he may have felt that he should been taken higher
00:49Granted for him. He got taken by the Warriors and he has a championship ring first, but that's what happened with Jordan
00:54He started to smell itself and you can see it in his play and he started to tell us of you know
00:58These guys need me and that's what his that's what his play dictated
01:03These guys be me you saw the way when curry was trying to say something when he was on the way to the bench
01:08He like bump past curry and had this little attitude when you have that towards the guys who paved the way for you
01:15You're thinking bigger of yourself than the team and that showed that his attitude and it shows that it's in his skill set
01:21But I mean, we may be missing him offensively, but at the same time man, this this is something we can get past man
01:27we went through
01:29We believe years and even before that as Warriors fan when you can go to the
01:33Oakland Coliseum and get in for
01:35What was it two?
01:40So, you know, let's just take it inside and thanks for taking the call
01:43Thank you. That's a it's a great phone call
01:46Yeah, and there is so much ingrained in NBA culture
01:49That's based on respect and sometimes that is attached to money and then sometimes it is attached to pecking order
01:56And I'll give the lovely Christy credit on this one
01:59for example
02:00Here's something that I think a lot of us
02:03Thought was whimsical and fun and she told me the first time she saw it
02:08She went that's gonna be a problem want to know what it is
02:11It's when Jordan pool was leading the league in free throw
02:14Percentage and the other team would get a technical foul called on them and pool and curry
02:20Yeah
02:20both on the floor at the same time and
02:22Then they had this funny little thing about who's gonna get to go shoot the free throw and she's like, oh, no
02:28No, no, that's not good. No. No, it's not funny. That's Steph Curry. Steph Curry shoots the free throw
02:35Stand down Jordan now that may not sound like a big deal. No, I know it's a big that's a micro point in a macro
02:44Conversation which is what bud is pointing to and the bottom line is yes
02:48I do think there were people in the Warriors organization that think that Jordan got too big for his britches
02:53and I don't really blame him for it because that's the NBA when you're coming up and
02:59you want a bag and you want to be a one and you think you have that in you and
03:06Someone else is blocking you from doing that
03:08It becomes a problem and it is pecking order and I'll make my second soccer analogy
03:14And when there's a penalty and it's gonna be a penalty kick that's going to be taken. There is a penalty kick
03:20Yes
03:20taker who takes the PK and sometimes you have a young star who might think that it's their time to be the PK taker and
03:28It's like no, it's not your time
03:30I'm the 12-year vet and this is what I do
03:32and so the PK taker is the guy who has more experience and more gravitas even if it's a three nothing game and right even
03:39If you were the one who drew the foul and you know, you draw the foul you think I'm gonna get to get the PK
03:46It's like no we have we have an order
03:47there's an order to things and it's the same thing with the technical foul free throw and I do think that the bag part of
03:53It is a big one
03:55and this is where it brings us to Jonathan cominga because
03:58He saw his draft class now a lot of them got the really really big bag and he wants the big bag
04:04And so I do think that his year started with him maybe bag chasing and then the last five games
04:10It felt like he kind of had zeroed in on the reality of if I play well in the right way
04:15The bag will be there and then he got hurt right which is sad for this is why so many of these guys pool
04:21Struggled with it cominga struggles with the idea of not starting that's all about respect and money
04:26It's not about do you still get 30 minutes a night? It's about respect and money. That's it
04:32And I remember saying to you
04:35Earlier before the punch that the Jordan pool thing
04:39Could get wobbly. My prediction was that Jordan wouldn't necessarily want to be a warrior anymore
04:47Because he's not caught up in the history of all this. He wasn't here for all of the first three championships
04:55So when people are like how could he not want to be a warrior and I'm like because the job of number one is taken
05:01Here and he thinks that he can have that job
05:05It's the same reason Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter broke up is
05:09Because they both were like Vince was the one and then Tracy became a free agent and he was like, I'm a one
05:16There's not jobs not open here
05:18Now it ended up being a parting for different reasons because he got whacked in the face
05:23And then the team traded him and it got all sideways
05:26But I remember thinking this is heading down a road. That'll be really interesting to see what Jordan wants to do
05:33Because man, that's tough
05:35Jonathan's still dealing with it right when you think that that your head is bigger than the ceiling in the room. Ah
05:42What do you do?
05:43Especially when you are yet to really show it and prove it and you know
05:47I've been reading through the Ramona Shelburne article on ESPN about Jimmy Butler really good
05:51He's a guy who's actually done it and so their big push-pull is a lot of it's about money and you know
05:58Pat Riley's a guy who's gonna dig his heels in and do the right thing with the heat culture in mind
06:04but at least he's a guy who's been in the league for what 14 years and if you're coming in your pool and your
06:10Youngsters coming up and pool gets the bag and now the shoulders are back and you got a bounce in your step
06:15It's like I'm here. I'm him
06:17Yeah, and you're surrounded by Steph Dre and clay guys who've you know, won three more rings than you and they've been doing a lot longer
06:24There's definitely gonna be a little bit of tension in the room. No doubt, which I
06:29Firmly believe and this is hard to say because it makes it sound like I'm victim shaming
06:33I believe there was a lot of that tucked into what eventually happened
06:38That is not excusing Draymond by any stretch
06:42But I do think there was a lot of tension in the room that was based on attitudes money big for britches
06:49Challenging authority and establishment all of those things. I think we're in the room and probably had a hand in
06:59Whatever got into Draymond that caused him to do that
07:03Christian in Fairfield next up. Hi Christian. We thank you for the call. What are you doing?
07:07I'm listening to you guys
07:09I like everything the caller said and what you guys are saying in the piggyback on that
07:14He quit on his team after Draymond punched him
07:17That's what I see and you don't want to play with a guy that quits on their team
07:21That's where you see what kind of player a person is when the adversity is
07:26he's supposed to turn up and say I'm better than Draymond go out there and ball and
07:30They want to get rid of Draymond and not him and you see like the guy said that's telling them play ball play ball
07:36and he's
07:37That prima donna stuff so no
07:39I don't miss Jordan pull it off and his numbers in Washington are skewed anyone in the NBA with that usage rate
07:45Can get 20 a game so?
07:47He can stay over there Christian. I don't I don't know about him quitting on the team
07:52I have a hard time with that one. That's a big word
07:55Yeah, I'm looking at it, and he he played all 82 and he played 30 minutes a night and whether or not he became
08:02Too
08:03Self-centered and selfish as a basketball player we could have that conversation
08:07but for me when you quit on your team that means you either fake injury or don't show up or
08:15Clearly Jake it and don't try I think Jordan pool still went out and tried
08:20I don't know if he necessarily was trying to play the way they wanted him to play and that might ultimately have been why
08:27He got sent out, but for me the the idea of the Q word
08:32You gotta really be sure that somebody is quitting Devandre Campbell quit on his team. That's a good point
08:37I mean can we call that a guy who says I don't want to play Tyree kill
08:43No doubt like I don't like it's no quit on his team you you can argue that you can argue that and I think there's
08:48Some in the Giants organization who agree with you yeah, and and and so Blake's now was never gonna continue to be a giant
08:55The Dodgers, but anyway, I mean that might be a lowercase key
08:58I wouldn't use I I get where Kristen's coming from I just wouldn't use that word. I think that there were
09:07Multiple and differing
09:10Motivations, let's put it that way
09:13Differing such a good politician. Well. No, but that's differing motivation. That's what it was that's saying
09:18He was selfish without saying he was self, okay, but nobody like what you
09:22Argue that if you want to use the word selfish you could just say that about the other side, too
09:26I'm not even telling you which side. I'm on although. It's pretty hard not to
09:31When you're playing with Steph Dre and clay
09:34I think it's pretty hard to have a leg to stand on when you look at the three of them
09:39And you're like actually I think we should do it this way how about that well hold on a second
09:44This is Steph Clay and Dre as a fan. I'd rather people come in and sound like buddy healed
09:50He walks in and he's like this is Steph Curry
09:52I'm gonna do what Steph Curry tells me to do cuz that's Steph Curry Jordan. I don't think did that it doesn't make him wrong
09:58It doesn't make him a quitter though, right?
10:02Differing motivations and goals yeah, just you're a wordsmith. You're a politician
10:08The way you're doing it. I mean you could just you can work use words like
10:12selfish quitter choker
10:14But you choose to say
10:16Differing motivations right motivations. Yes, you're over there painting well
10:20I'm throwing stuff at the wall, and you're over there painting with a fine-tooth comb numbers are numbers and words
10:26Yes, I do think that he had my words. He had differing motivations and at times
10:31Well at times he was all they had because you know sure you had as the other guys aged
10:37Yeah, I mean the other guys got hurt
10:39And you know you can also look at clay Thompson and say that he had differing motivations it got to that
10:44Right when he was hunting his shot, and that's why he's gone. Yep
10:48Right that's what happens if you're not on the same page you got to go
10:54Because you are involved with a page that is well-traveled and true
10:59That's the this is Golden State Warrior basketball in
11:032025 it doesn't mean they're gonna win the title this year
11:05But you're not gonna come in during the Steph Curry era and tell them to do it a different way
11:10No, don't work
11:13Steven Stockton hi Steve. Thank you for calling
11:18What's up
11:22I'm glad we actually got rid of Jordan Poole Jordan Poole was a bench player at best
11:28I don't think that he was even the second best player on that team
11:33you walk into a into a room with three future Hall of Famers and
11:38You're demanding the ball you're demanding the night to be about you and a lot of that has to do with the year prior when
11:45Steph got hurt Draymond got suspended
11:47Clay was out and now you are that man that the weight of the game is on your shoulders
11:52and he took care of us for that duration, but
11:56You have three future Hall of Famers on your team who have won rings who have played to a greatness that no one else can
12:03surpass and
12:05Your head became big
12:08You know the punch is something a lot of people talk about you you heard Draymond's apology
12:13But there's a reason why somebody gets punched right nobody just walks up to somebody and punches somebody
12:18And I think with a guy like Draymond who demands respect demands 110% when you're on the court
12:24He is the bully and the bully captain of our team
12:27And you come in with a big head
12:30I think an arrogance got to him, and I think that's why he got punched. I think words were said
12:37He challenged the captain of the team the bull and he got the horse
12:40And then when you seen during the season you know Steph's not really you know show emotion
12:46But he's not a frustration emotion person. Yep. He doesn't have that show and
12:52You seen half-court step takes his mouthpiece out and swings it across the court in frustration because Jordan pulls taken
13:01You know he's being guarded by two guys
13:03Steph Curry standing at the 35-foot mark for a game winner and Jordan Poole's taking a 40-foot for shot
13:10That's the best player the best shooter in the league next to LeBron being the best player in the league and
13:17You're watching him stand there wide open and you're not beating in the ball
13:22That is what told me that Jordan Poole was going to be gone. Yeah, Steve
13:26I I'm with you especially the second half of your call like that all the drama
13:31I can like I get it and it doesn't make Jordan in the wrong like that's that's big ego stuff
13:39This is the Warriors. This is the NBA. They're they're they're champions
13:44Jordan is a champion. They've all got high abilities. They all want multi multi million dollar contracts
13:51Like there's gonna be stuff
13:53Think back to when David West was like y'all don't even know what the hell went on in this locker room this year and think about
13:58How much stuff there's been since Jordan left there has still been stuff plays entire year at
14:04Draymond got suspended for a choke and a stomp and a flail punch and
14:09Kaminga pouted last year. So the drama didn't begin or end with Jordan pool
14:14No, what I focus on when we look at this is the basketball. It's the basketball
14:19Yeah, and I'll tell you this I'm in the middle of a little project over here. I am on John Hollinger's
14:26NBA
14:27efficiency
14:29rankings
14:30Website and I'm scrolling. Yeah down. You're going down. I'm on page five and you're looking for Jordan pool
14:37I haven't found his name yet
14:40It's possible that I missed it
14:42But I don't think so. Yeah, I'm on page five. Mama. Let you know when I find it
14:48Okay, I'm through 250 players
14:52As far as efficiency efficiency ratings and I have gone through most of the warrior and this is a what PER player
15:00Efficiency rating correct as per John Hollinger, correct? Okay, correct. I just got to Harrison Barnes. Who's number 260?
15:07Yeah, I found him. I just got a buddy healed at number
15:10Is he gonna find it if he keeps scrolling or do you know he missed him? I don't yeah, okay
15:15He missed him cuz he hates him
15:18He's in the very end of the second page, he's the 100th most efficient player
15:24Problem then
15:28Yes, you said he's number 100 yeah, see I've got number 100 as Clint Capella
15:34Hmm, huh? I have it on ESPN comm John Hollinger PR. That's where I am. What's the PR number?
15:41What is Jordan Poole's number sixteen point seven eight. Yeah, sixteen point seven eight
15:45I see him now at number 122 on my list. This may include players who haven't haven't played
15:52Yeah, they haven't qualified though, you know, I'm reluctant to do this
15:56Anyway, you know who he's like team Grandy cuz I'm looking at it and I have him at a hundred
16:00Okay, no, that's fine
16:01I like I said, I may be on a list that includes players who have played like five games
16:06Guess who he's right behind?
16:08Right, but like just narrowly he's at sixteen point seven eight
16:1516.79 16.79. Yeah. Yeah, okay
16:20Who's next Jonathan and Danville hi Jonathan, thanks for calling
16:25Hey, how you guys doing?
16:27I had to call myself down because we got to put some respect on my boy Jordan's name here
16:32And I know we're talking about after everything said and done Jordan now
16:36We do understand when players go through things like clay Thompson
16:40I know it was an injury, but he never came back and we have respect for that and we understand that
16:45We also appreciate what he's done. Do you talk about clay having a ring dream on having a ring?
16:51put some respect on the third splash bros name because he's got a ring and I know that after he got hit and
16:58The entire league made fun of him
17:01Internet went crazy and the Warriors really didn't do a whole lot and imagine I don't know where you guys work
17:07But if my assistant manager
17:09Punched me in the face in front of everybody at work and was not fired
17:14I don't think I'd want to be there either and not to mention
17:18I don't know about you guys, but it I felt bad for some of these people spouses
17:22But they say well, you know, he got punched so he must have deserved it. I don't condone those kinds of things
17:27I remember Jordan for what he was and what he did and that's where I'm gonna keep him. It's Friday
17:33Let's get in a happy mood. It's not that serious. It's basketball warrior fans. Let's get going and again
17:39It put some respect on my boy Jordan's name. Yeah, Johnny. Let us respond to that. Thank you very much
17:45First of all, I was happy. We're super happy second of all my assistant manager punches me
17:49I'll see you not on the court, but in court court exactly, right? I'm a lawyer up
17:54Yeah, I don't I don't think anybody argues any of those points
17:59What I would say back to you is
18:02That you're you're forgetting all of the other stuff and that's what each person and fan gets to do
18:08You get to remember what you want to remember. I remember what he did
18:12I don't think when someone wins a championship that automatically means so now
18:17They've got like they've got diplomatic immunity for the rest of their lives. We can have no opinion
18:24You brought up clay Thompson and you know what you're forgetting. He got publicly torched the last year
18:31This radio station couldn't stop taking phone calls
18:36Nicknaming him clank Thompson. Hmm
18:39He got absolutely dragged through the mud. I thought last year and
18:44He's clay
18:46He's an actual splash brother and he doesn't have a ring. He's got four and
18:52Two major injuries that he fought through so I think there's plenty of respect on clay's name and
18:58Honestly, I do think there's respect on Jordan pools name. That's where we started this conversation
19:03Yeah, I love the work that he did to become a good player. I love that. He contributed to a championship
19:09I don't really dig where it went after that. Is it all his fault?
19:141,000% no
19:16But I like to me that can't be the whole story
19:20Jordan works his way to be good. Jordan is good. Jordan helps win a ring Jordan got punched end of story
19:27No, I just think it's a little more layered than that. It's always more layered than that. And you know, I I always
19:34Hesitate when people want to give him that splash brother
19:38Acronym because there are only two
19:40Yeah, you can give him splash cousin and you know
19:43He got a water based nickname when you talk about a pool party, which is great
19:47And you know, he was fantastic in the championship year and even the year after he was good
19:53He got you just about 20 a night coming off the punch and then he got traded for a variety of reasons
19:59And I don't know how much of that stems from the punch
20:03I do believe the majority of the reason why he got traded was an overall
20:07Fit, I don't think that he fits the way he's best at playing basketball
20:12For me doesn't fit with what the Warriors have was Steph Curry. Yeah
20:16No, I I agree with that completely and
20:20As far as you know being traded for a variety of reasons. I will say this though
20:24This is what keeps sticking to my mind. Like when you said he was still really good post punch. I
20:30understand that statistically
20:32We've got this marriage with the 20-point number in the NBA and if somebody scores 20 points their royalty
20:39You average 20 PPG and I know that's hard to do. There's no doubting his skill set
20:45Which is elite in terms of this globe and people who play offense in the NBA
20:51But I would argue that was not a good season and I would argue it not from any particular numbers
20:56I would argue it from the fact that as I said earlier that year when I watched warrior basketball my phone
21:04Every single game was lighting up with people from work and outside of work
21:10Texting about how Jordan pool drove them nuts
21:13That's how you felt that's how the warrior fans felt that year it was frustrating and I think it's gotten forgotten
21:19Well, and I do think brushed over and you know numbers are always interesting when you look at them and you were talking about the Hollinger
21:27Performance rankings and I just looked at last year last year. He was 237. No, he's better this year. He's a hundred
21:34No, so, you know better year and the numbers are about the same
21:38So it all depends on you know, how much you shoot and how much you score