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Tune in to the latest episode of "Pucks with Haggs," where Joe Haggerty teams up with Ty Anderson of 98.5 The Sports Hub. They'll be discussing the recent arbitration settlements of Jeremy Swayman and Trent Frederic's arbitration cases, and how the Bruins navigated the NHL salary cap constraints.  Pucks with Haggs is brought to you by:  FanDuel Sportsbook, exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network. Get a NO SWEAT FIRST BET up to $1000 DOLLARS when you visit https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON! That’s $1000 back in BONUS BETS if your first bet doesn’t win.  21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. $10 Deposit req. Refund issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See full terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. FanDuel is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino, LLC. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MI, NJ, OH, PA, IL, TN, VA), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), Gamblinghelplinema.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support (MA), visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), 1-800-522-4700 (WY), or visit www.1800gambler.net (WV).  Factor. Visit https://factormeals.com/HAGGS50 to get 50% off your first box! Factor is America’s #1 Ready-To-Eat Meal Kit, can help you fuel up fast with ready-to-eat meals delivered straight to your door.

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00:00 with Ags is brought to you by FanDuel, the exclusive wedgering partner of the CLN Action

00:04 Media Network. And welcome into another episode of the Pucks with Hags podcast. I believe this is

00:10 our 21st episode. So congrats to continuing on this journey with us as we go through the hockey

00:17 landscape. I'm lucky to have 98.5 Ty Anderson with me today, a man for all seasons, a man that's very

00:24 bored like I am right now because the Bruins seem to put out the news in clusters and then go silent

00:29 for weeks at a time. So he's suffering along with the rest of us media whores. But before we get to

00:33 Ty, I just want to say really quickly thanks to our sponsors FanDuel, Sportsbook. We always thank

00:38 them and we'll have a new read from them because football season is coming and all the betting

00:44 people are coming out for football with Sportsbook. But let's get back to the hockey right now. And Ty,

00:48 how high is your level of boredom right now after the arbitration stuff has all come out

00:55 with Swayman and Frederick and there's really tumbleweeds blowing through Bruins news items

01:00 right now? Yeah, I mean, listen, it's got to be probably a seven out of ten, I would say.

01:05 Yeah, and I say that because like we can do things, you know, like next week we'll probably do some

01:11 deeper dives into some of the guys they brought in and you know, who could maybe grab a spot that

01:15 you're maybe not thinking of. But ultimately, yeah, like the juice is over, you know, like the

01:20 stuff that's going to really power you through the offseason. You know, the cap situation that we

01:25 talked about, it seems like they've escaped that relatively unscathed. And I mean, Taylor Hall is

01:29 what he is, right? That is a loss. Let's not let's not get that too twisted here. But it really

01:34 appears that it's going to be Taylor Hall and then they're going to have to run with two extra bodies

01:38 instead of three, you know, in terms of the regular season. So it's like, all right, well,

01:42 there's that. You know, there was that whole kind of idea that they were going to have this massive

01:46 sweeping change this summer. And it really looks like it's just one player off the roster and then

01:51 one fewer body sitting up in the press box as a healthy scratch. And one of the one player turned

01:57 into five other players that you've added to the roster, right? You've you've transferred the one,

02:02 you now have five small horses attacking you instead of one big horse based on, you know,

02:07 the metaphors that people always use, which we have to have one giant chicken attacking you or,

02:13 you know, five, five small chickens. But like, you're right. I get the sense that they aren't

02:21 going to be doing much else here either. You know, like we've heard rumors about like, you know,

02:26 and obviously we look at the center position right now and that we'll get to this later in the show,

02:30 but you look at that and I think they may decide at some point this year that they need an upgrade

02:36 and, you know, maybe we see something down the road once the season starts, but I think they've

02:41 got to look at Zaka and coil and see what they have and get a read on that for a little while.

02:45 But getting back to the arbitration hearings, 4.75 million or three points for 3.475 million for

02:55 Jeremy Swain in one year, and then 2.3 million for two years for Trent Frederick. I thought

03:00 as soon as the Ilya Samsonov hearing came down, decision came down 3.5 million, extremely similar

03:08 numbers to swim and very comparable. Even if they couldn't use that in arbitration hearing,

03:13 I think you could tell that's where the arbiters were going with, you know, goalies that had

03:17 numbers like that. And likewise, Philip Kirochev when his deal came down arbitration with the

03:22 Chicago Blackhawks, very comparable numbers, even if they're different players to Trent Frederick.

03:27 So he signs for just a touch more than Kirochev got. It seemed like, you know, we knew for a good

03:33 week, 10 days, what was going to come down here. And basically, the Bruins carved enough money out

03:38 to afford both of them. They read it correctly too as to what the market was going to be for those

03:42 guys. Yeah, absolutely. And I think a big thing, honestly, with Trent Frederick was that I think

03:48 if the Bruins could have gone longer at that number, they would have. I think that was sort

03:52 of the vibe that I got heading into those negotiations and hearing about them and

03:58 listening to people talk about them was that the Bruins would have probably liked to go four or

04:01 five years. But with the salary cap expected to explode, there's probably Trent Frederick's camp

04:06 is saying, no, no, we're not going to sign, you know, for a long-term deal now because Trent

04:10 Frederick, he continues to score at the rate he did last year. And maybe let's say he works into

04:15 the power, a power play a little bit more or moves to center, you know, he could make more money.

04:19 So I think that that number is a fair number for him. That was the contract that I really didn't

04:24 know where they were going to go with it. And then he, as you mentioned, you have the Kirochev

04:28 award. So you're thinking, okay, it's going to be around there. But up until that point,

04:32 you would ask around, people would say, oh, Frederick's worth 1.75. He's worth 2.5.

04:37 Someone told me they thought it was worth three and a half at one point. I was like, wow, you know,

04:40 like, like he's a guy who's just, his value is hard to nail down because you don't know

04:44 what it was last year. If that was just, you know, riding the high of a great team, being on an all

04:50 time team, or if he finally found his footing as a potential budding power forward in this league.

04:55 So in high shooting percentage, let's be honest. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's the other thing,

05:00 right. But like, you kind of looked at what he did and you know, this kind of comes back to how

05:04 you feel about advanced metrics and what have you, but you look at the guys he played with,

05:09 they all got worse without him. So you're looking at that and saying, okay, is he, you know, is he

05:14 kind of just a space creator that is benefiting everybody? Right. And those guys can be worth a

05:19 lot of money, you know, depending on the team. So 2.3, I like that. It's fair. It allows both

05:24 sides to kind of figure out what they have here without that contract being an albatross.

05:30 If a $2.3 million contract is an albatross, then you have much greater problems, I think.

05:35 And so I think that's how you have to feel if you're a Bruins fan, you know, seeing that contract,

05:39 it's fair value. Now come seeing if he can do that again. And I kind of have my doubts there,

05:43 but I think he B he will be worth about $2 million. Yeah. And I'm curious to see too,

05:48 like what he's going to learn and how he, what ways he will improve having Milan Lucic around

05:53 for a year, a guy that I think he can learn a ton from and a guy that he should be playing even more

05:58 like that kind of player than he has to this point in his career. And if he wants to make a lot more

06:03 money and stick around the Bruins for a long time, I think he continues to have to, you know,

06:07 sort of learn from a player like that and see how he does it and incorporate some of those things,

06:12 maybe even a little bit more into his game. And maybe that allows him to unlock even more and

06:17 improve even more to your point about the longer term deal. Like if they were going to buy out

06:22 free agent UFA years from him, they were going to have to spend more money. It was going to be

06:26 a higher AAV for sure. If they were going to go into that territory, you know, for four or five,

06:30 the price definitely goes up when you start buying out UFA years. So, I mean, I'm sure there was some

06:35 hesitancy on the Bruins side to go much higher than that with their number two, not knowing

06:40 exactly what he's going to turn into, you know, like having the questions that we have about,

06:44 is this what he is? Is that the best we're ever going to see him this past year? Or is he starting

06:49 to continue to develop into an even better player at, you know, 24, 25 years old? My question is

06:55 like, what kind of Kool-Aid were the Swainman representatives drinking when they put in $4.85

07:01 million as his number, which was way higher than what the Bruins put in that. That's a pretty wide

07:08 gap for arbitration. You don't see too many that are that like distantly apart between the two

07:12 sides. You know, obviously he was looking for something close to what Omar is making. Maybe

07:16 that was some of the thinking there, but like, you know, read the tea leaves. You're not even

07:20 close. If he got awarded that kind of number, that's the only scenario I think where they

07:25 might've had to trade him or somebody else because he would have put them in such a bad spot by

07:29 winning that kind of an award that they would have had to make another move. Right. I was saying,

07:34 I was entering this saying that if you can get them for under $9 million, that's a win, right?

07:39 And I feel that way because of what they lack at the center position, right? That you're going to

07:44 have to win games, probably a little bit uglier, you know, three to two, two to one. And if you

07:48 have the best tandem in the league and both guys who, in my opinion, have kind of proven that they

07:52 need the other one to succeed over the course of 82 games, I don't think either goaltenders are

07:57 equipped to play 60 games. I just don't. I know that's women, you know, they, they, they think,

08:02 Oh, he can do it. Well, it's nice to know it, you know, before you have to figure it out. Right.

08:07 And so the all-mark trade market, I'm not sure what you had heard on it, but I heard that it

08:12 never really materialized. It needed, it needed, you know, other moves to happen. And then it

08:18 needed signing off, obviously, with there's no trade clause and that wasn't happening.

08:22 So the goalie market trade wise, didn't really open up at all. Like it was a lot of talk about

08:27 this, like tons of goalies moving around Connor Hellebott, like Linus Allmark, like this, all

08:31 kinds of movement. And it didn't end up happening. And part of the reason it doesn't happen more

08:37 with goalies, especially is because they just don't command as much value as other players

08:42 around the league. There's, there is the view of goaltenders around the NHL. I believe like

08:47 there's the view of relief pitchers in major league baseball that you can find a lot of guys

08:52 to come in and do that job. And it's a matter of hitting on the right guy at the right time

08:56 that pops and has a great year, has a couple of really good years, but there are a lot of people

09:01 you could go out and put in that position that might do that, you know, and then they can't

09:05 sustain it too. Like they have a good year or two, you ride it out. And then all of a sudden,

09:09 you know, they're not able to sustain that. I, you know, I love Linus Allmark as a goalie. He

09:13 showed me a ton last year and I think he's a talented guy, but I don't know that I think I'm

09:19 ever going to see him win the Vezina trophy again, you know, after the year that he had.

09:23 And I certainly think at this point, we can make the determination definitely with Linus Allmark,

09:28 to your point, he's not a 60, 70 game in an NHL season guy. He's not that kind of workhorse.

09:35 That's going to be able to stay healthy, maintain what he's able to do performance wise,

09:39 and really carry your team. And, and, you know, he doesn't even look like he can be that guy in

09:43 the playoffs, right. That can continue to perform every other day at an extremely high level as well.

09:49 And you really got to factor that into like his value, how much you're paying him, like all that

09:53 stuff. I I'm still open-minded to sway him and turning into that kind of a guy. I think he,

09:57 he may be able to, we'll see. And I think he deserves to get that chance at some point.

10:02 So I was on the bandwagon of, of trading Allmark if you could, but exactly what you're saying.

10:07 I just don't think they were ever going to get any kind of value for him and waiting until after

10:12 July 1st, when it was a little easier to trade him, just like killed any chance of doing it as

10:16 well. Yeah. And the other part of that too, I think that is worth noting is that, you know,

10:21 to your point, as you mentioned, comparing it to relief pitchers, you know, it doesn't help the

10:25 Bruins necessarily that three of the last five Stanley cup winning goaltenders have been just,

10:30 you know, what you would say is a guy versus the guy. The hills of the world, right. Biddington

10:36 Kemper Aiden Hill Vasilevsky is the outlier now, you know, like, and, and it's great if you have

10:42 that guy, but if you don't, I mean, look at, look at what teams are spending right now on

10:46 goaltending. I mean, I think, I think the Bruins can take a little bit of comfort in the fact that

10:51 three of the teams ahead of them in goaltending spending right now are the Florida Panthers,

10:56 the Tampa Bay lightning, well, Guaranteed Vasilevsky is eating up like 95% of that,

11:00 but you know what I mean? And then also Vegas, depending on what happened to Robin Lainer here,

11:04 if he, if he is able to come back, if he's able to play now, they have a $9.9 million tandem. So

11:10 there there's, there's positives and negatives to be found within what the Bruins have in net right

11:14 now. The greatest negative though, is, is being that, you know, they, they, they didn't commit

11:19 to the tandem in the playoffs. The tandem costs more money now, and you're not getting proper

11:24 value for trading a member of that tandem right now in 2023 with the trade market being the way

11:29 it is. So those are the negatives. The positive is that they are a very good tandem for 82 games.

11:35 And when you don't have a first round pick and you don't have great centers right now,

11:38 or, or high end centers, like Patrice Bergeron, they'll get you there. I'm confident that this

11:43 tandem will get them to the playoffs, regardless of what of the other losses they've had,

11:47 the changes they're going to make that tandem is good enough to sneak them into the playoffs.

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13:13 But the question becomes, what do they do in the playoffs and can they continue what they've done

13:18 in the regular season in the playoffs? Do you have to go strictly to a tandem in the playoffs

13:22 where you're playing one, every other game, do you dare ever try to ride either one of them? And I,

13:29 you know, once again, I, I feel like Swainman has not gotten the chance yet to, you know, start a

13:36 bunch of playoff games in a row and sort of get the ball and say, here you go. Like, we're just

13:40 going to run with you and you're our guy. And we're going to see how good you can be. I like,

13:42 I think he deserves to have that chance before he's sort of shoehorned into a, yeah, these guys

13:47 have to go back and forth every game and we're just going to do it like we do in the regular

13:51 season in the playoffs. Whereas I think with all mark, I've kind of made that, you know, I think

13:57 we talked in the podcast a few episodes ago about Hampus Lindholm and still not being fully certain

14:03 that the guy that we saw in the playoffs is the guy we're always going to see in the playoffs.

14:06 And not saying that, you know, he's not a playoff performer and making just snap judgments on what

14:10 we saw in that series against Florida and also him getting hurt the year before he was Carolina.

14:16 I'm a little more ready to make a snap judgment on all mark that I'm not sure he is your guy in

14:21 the playoffs over a long period of time. And he's just not a guy that's going to be able to,

14:26 you know, play the entire run for two months for a playoff team. And he's going to need somebody

14:30 like Swainman at the very least, and maybe even start the other guy to go, you know,

14:34 Swainman next time around the playoffs and see what he can do, you know, a few games in a row.

14:39 But I've, I've started to cement my take on all mark as a playoff goalie. And it's,

14:43 it's not the most complimentary take in the world. Yeah. I wish that we would get some

14:47 clarity on what happens. You know, I thought they were all being very weird about his injury.

14:52 If there was an injury, how limited was he? It felt like everybody, the player, the coach and

14:58 the organization themselves were all very guarded about the situation. Now, was that because they

15:03 were going to try to trade him? I'm not sure, but now we're in August. I have to imagine he's going

15:07 to be the goaltender, you know, with Jeremy Swainman come September when camp opens. It would

15:12 be nice to know exactly what happened and how limited he was because you know, it's, if he were

15:17 playing through, let's just say like a high ankle sprain, or he had a partially torn groin or

15:22 something now that Lindholm argument is almost a little bit open for Linus as well. So it's just,

15:29 I wish they were a bit more transparent about what exactly went wrong. And yeah, to your point

15:33 about Swainman, I hate that they've started him when they're down. Oh, two against Carolina.

15:39 I mean, come on, you got to put the kid in a good spot. And it's tough for me because I have to sit

15:45 here and say, Jeremy Swainman's playoff numbers are not that great. He has a nine Oh one say

15:50 percentage. He has a losing record. However, he's never been put in a great spot in my opinion. So

15:56 that's obviously something that listen, if they keep these guys together, like I said, I'm all

16:01 about it, but when the playoffs come, you got to rotate them. I've seen it now. I've seen it. Now

16:05 you got to rotate them. You have a good thing. Don't abandon it in games one and two, if it

16:10 serves you well for games one through 82. Yeah. And absolutely. I agree. And, and I think you,

16:15 you do at least have to start the next playoff doing that. Right. And, and be consistent with

16:21 what you did and got your success during the regular season into the playoffs. And if things

16:25 start to go wonky or sideways, then you can make adjustments once you get there. But I agree. I

16:30 think they, one of the lessons learned from this past playoff was that they should as much as they

16:36 can copy what has was very successful during the regular season and do the exact same thing

16:41 in the playoffs. You know, the one thing I would say about Omar's injury is like the only sort of

16:48 clarity we got was an almost eye rolling comment from Don Sweeney about it not being as debilitating

16:55 as whatever Patrice Bergeron was playing. So like that, that tells you that I'm not sure it's like,

17:01 you know, it was all that serious or it was something that like, you know, he was,

17:05 you know, setting a record Guinness book records of toughness by playing through

17:10 when he did in the playoffs. So like that kind of the reaction that Sweeney gave when he talked

17:16 about that kind of answered that question for me as to, you know, can we, can we say that this was

17:20 something that wasn't that much worse than anything else than anybody else was playing with. So

17:25 concerned about the 22 roster, NHL roster format for the season because of salary cap

17:35 circumstances. I certainly don't have much of it's like Ian Mitchell, you go down to the minors and

17:40 we put, we have a seventh defenseman and we have 13 forwards. Like, I think that's really all you

17:46 need. And then, you know, once injuries happen during the regular season, the salary cap may

17:51 open up a little bit and you can, you know, move some things around, but like, I really for,

17:55 for all the Q and cry about the salary cap and it going to be a major effect that was going to be a

18:00 problem, like signing Swayman, signing Frederick, like doing whatever they had to do. If it really

18:05 comes down to not having a full, complete 23 man roster by one player. I mean, that's, that's,

18:10 that's pretty, pretty minor on the scale. Right. And you gotta be happy or you don't gotta be

18:14 happy, but a guy like Jake's world has got to be happy saying, Oh, wow, I can actually play.

18:19 If some guys coming out, I'm not getting bumped down for Anton Stroman or, or Connor Clifton,

18:24 Dmitry Orlov, you know, whoever flavor of the month it is. He's probably going to play more

18:28 than what five times after Thanksgiving this year, based on this current con current roster

18:34 construct. It's really interesting though, to see what it means for, you know, maybe some players

18:38 who are on the fringes, some guys who met might need waivers, you know, AJ Greer, Jacob Loco,

18:45 Jesper Boquist, Patrick Brown, like you go up and down the list that you got a lot of guys

18:49 fighting for some spots here. And I do wonder if there will be an element of sort of what

18:54 they did with training camp last year, where Nick Foligno, Mike Riley, those guys were waived

19:00 and they were called up, but it allowed them to have those sort of paper transactions that

19:05 allowed them to maximize their cap space. A guy that I wonder about with that is Derek Forbert.

19:10 I know that he has a solidified role here, but $3 million for a guy who's on your bottom pairing,

19:16 you know, like that, that's what spelled the end for Mike Riley, you know, a year ago. And

19:21 not to say that Forbert's going to get banished down to the minors, but is he a guy that they

19:26 waive and try to maybe maximize the dollar? I mean, this is sort of what Evan Gold has brought

19:31 in to do. And I think it's why they gave him a promotion last year, you know, to manage that

19:35 daily cap, because it can be a headache, but that bottom of the roster has a lot of room for a lot

19:40 of movement. You know, I think more so than the 23-man roster, that's what I'm looking at is,

19:45 is how do they maximize every dollar? Because opening with $400,000 in cap space is not ideal,

19:52 right? So what other moves are made to maximize that dollar? I'm dying to know. That's what is

19:58 really intriguing to me, I think, based on how this roster is kind of shaken out right now.

20:02 Yeah. I think guys like AJ Greer, Patrick Brown, Derek Forbert, I think all of them could see,

20:07 it could be another like a bloody Sunday where there's a bunch of guys like right before the

20:11 season starts, like put on waivers, even if they're not going down to Providence, just for

20:15 the flexibility you're talking about. And, you know, to be able to send them down at any point

20:19 over the first month, if they need to, without, you know, having to worry about it as well.

20:23 If they want to bring some young guys up, depending on how those guys are playing.

20:27 I think that's just life in the salary cap era now, especially for guys like that,

20:31 that are kind of, you know, fourth line, bottom six forwards or bottom pairing defenseman.

20:36 The one thing I would say about Forbert is in comparison to Mike Riley, he's a much more

20:42 valuable player than Mike Riley was, or as far as the role he plays, what he does, like his job on

20:49 the penalty kill, they have, when he gets hurt, they struggle on the penalty kill. They miss him

20:54 in a big way. So he at least does something that I think would hurt them tangibly if he wasn't there.

21:01 And, and, you know, I don't know that they have a lot of players in Providence that could come up

21:05 and play that role and be a shot block or be a big body around the net, be a guy that's going to be

21:10 effective on the penalty kill. And I think that in the end may save him more than it did for a

21:14 guy like Riley, who was, you know, an okay defenseman, decent puck mover, had some offensive

21:18 skills, but at the end of the day was kind of just another guy, you know, as far as defensemen go.

21:24 Um, but I agree with you. I think he's not, not valuable enough that he's not going to get put

21:29 in a situation like that. And the question becomes, if he does get put on waivers, would a guy like

21:34 that be taken? And I think maybe he would because of some of the values that and things that he

21:37 brings to the table for another team that maybe does have a little cap space and could use a guy

21:41 like that for 3 million. So that'll, that'll be an interesting one to watch because they do sometimes

21:46 put guys out there that you may get claimed if they're not too careful. Yeah. And, and to your

21:51 point, you know, with Forbert, I know there's a sect, uh, there's a group of Bruins fans that

21:55 really dislike Derek Forbert, you know, the, the numbers are ugly and they don't believe in that

22:00 kind of defense. Let's be honest. It's the fancy stats people. They hate the state home defenseman

22:04 shot blocking penalty killing defenseman. They don't seem to realize that you need those guys

22:08 to win in the playoffs and win during the regular season. Even if their stats aren't pretty, even if

22:13 they're of course he's bad and you know, they're not bringing much offense to the table. I'm a

22:18 classic. I like analytics and I like what my eyes tell me. Well, my eyes, what my eyes tell me with

22:23 Derek Forbert is that I would much rather him suffer the broken finger, the broken hand versus

22:29 Hampus Lynn Homer, Charlie McEvoy. And that's where the value is in that role. And I don't mean

22:34 that like in a mean way, I don't want him to break his hand. I don't want to break his fingers,

22:38 but if a guy's going to do it, I'd rather be him than, than someone you need to play 23,

22:42 24 minutes a night. I think about how sad his dog would be if he broke his finger. Come on,

22:47 have a heart. You can take, take care of the dog every day. Don't gotta get a dog sitter. He'll be

22:52 home. So I get it. I get it. But yeah, I mean, I just, that's, you know, this is, yeah, to your

22:57 point, it's life in the salary cap era. I know guys don't like it, you know, but if you can be a

23:03 Nick Foligno over it, you know, that's great. Cause he was like, yeah, I get it. He wasn't,

23:07 you know, everyone handles it differently, but that's something that I I'm just, I'm curious

23:13 to know how they do this because I can't see them going in and saying, yeah, 400,000 in space is

23:18 good for us. Like they're going to try to find a way to maximize that. It's just about how they do

23:22 it. Yeah, they will. And they don't want to get a situation where they're so far backed into a

23:26 corner salary cap wise during the season that like they have to like dress 11 forwards or 12,

23:32 you know, like nightmare, night, five defenseman or whatever, or not be able to bring up a goalie.

23:36 If somebody gets hurt and you have to bring in the Zamboni driver, one of the bull gang crew to be a

23:40 goalie or our buddy Keith Sagia would probably be, I was going to say, yeah, as long as the home

23:45 game he's there. Yes. And like shout out to Keith Sagi, right? Like the guy was practice goalie for

23:51 the Boston Bruins is one had been one of the e-bugs that we always see up on the ninth floor

23:55 hanging around. Cause they have them now every single game, a ready break glass for emergency

24:00 that that guy can come down and jump on the ice and be the emergency goalie. And you gotta be,

24:04 give credit to any guy that took a shower, a slap shot off the cup that broke his cup.

24:10 And now the guy actually, when he goes on the ice and is the emergency goalie for practice,

24:15 where's two cups. Like that was a tip he got from other pro goalies that they all wear two cups. Now

24:23 just an extra protection, just in case, but famously broke his cup with a slap shot during

24:28 practice and then took the broken pieces, signed them and put them in a box and gifted it back to

24:33 Keith Sagi. So thank you very much. Your, your e-bugness, but as much as I love the e-bug story,

24:39 and I think you and I would be salivating to write like that kind of a feature story on a player like

24:43 that, if it did happen for the Bruins, I don't want to see them get into a salary cap position

24:46 where they have to use a guy like that. Right, right, exactly. And you, you, you heard those

24:50 stories about Toronto and New York and Colorado all last year, teams that had addressed under 18

24:56 skaters. And that's just a bad, it's a bad precedent to set. You don't want to run yourself

25:02 into that kind of corner there. It's a competitive disadvantage. You never want to give that no way.

25:06 Yeah, exactly. And then, and then you, you basically, when you do that, you're watching

25:10 an entire 60 minute game with bated breath saying, please, not another injury, please. No one get

25:15 hurt. Cause now then you're down to four defensemen or, or nine forwards, whatever the case may be.

25:20 Like, so maintaining flexibility. And I think that's something that a lot of people,

25:24 I don't think have kind of seen the full picture of, and no, I agree when they talk about like

25:29 Tyler Bertuzzi, you know, you got to do that. Yeah, they could have, but then they would have

25:32 had what $32 in cap space to begin the year. That's not a sustainable model and nor is trading

25:38 guys and having to attach prospects and picks to it picks that you already don't have, by the way,

25:42 just to get in a roster that has a hundred thousand cap space, you need to maintain flexibility.

25:47 And I think the writing was on the wall, even before we kind of knew about the cap penalties

25:52 and how bad the market was going to be. Don Sweeney said, we are entering this summer,

25:57 prioritizing financial flexibility, however we can maintain it. So for them to go bargain bin

26:03 hunting, it shouldn't surprise you. If you were paying attention in April and May, you saw this

26:07 coming. You knew it was coming. I even had the trade deadline when, when they went into the LTIR

26:12 to add Bertuzzi, you should have known this was coming. So I think if it's August and you're

26:16 still saying you hate the Bruins off season, what do you want them to do? This is, this is the hole

26:21 that they dug themselves going all in. They didn't win it. This is the consequence, right? So

26:26 well, that's, that's the pain that's going to continue for Bruins fans on into the regular

26:30 season, watching a team that they probably know is not going to win the cup. Even I think they're

26:35 going to be a playoff team, but like definitely not a cup contender as constituted right now,

26:40 in my opinion, anyway, even if that, I think they're going to be a playoff team and that's

26:44 the realization you're going to have watching this year is like, you basically cost this year too,

26:49 based on last year, going for it and not winning and flaming out in the first round.

26:54 And it's going to continue that pain for Bruins fans into this season, which we all love to hear

26:59 Bruins fans in pain and crying and whining on Twitter. And we're going to, we're going to hear

27:03 a lot of Don Sweeney, you suck. You shouldn't have done that last year on Twitter and social media

27:08 this entire season. All right. One more quick thing before we get into the sort of meat of the

27:14 three center centers and how good the center position is for the Bruins. Murph, I think on

27:20 Boston hockey now had a source telling him that David Creechie is retired or he's going to retire

27:27 officially, except for maybe playing in the world championships for Checkia next, you know,

27:31 late spring, early summer. I'm not surprised. I would have been very surprised if he played

27:38 anywhere, played with Boston or anybody else at the beginning of this year. I'd be very surprised

27:43 if he's going to do anything over the course of a full season anymore, because last year he,

27:47 you know, his family, his kids and wife were in South Carolina and he was in Boston and didn't

27:51 see them for long stretches at a time. So not surprising at all. And you know, sort of if it

27:57 closes the book on, on his career with the Boston Bruins, like just how do you view it aside with

28:04 the Patrice Bergeron retirement announcement that we got a couple of weeks ago? Yeah. I mean,

28:09 it's a guy who I think was at times underrated and overrated at the same time. When I say

28:15 overrated, I mean, in terms of perhaps the expectations that people put on him, like he

28:20 was never going to be a 100 point guy. If you watched him, like he w you just wasn't that kind

28:25 of guy. And when he had that salary, people were like, he should be this guy. It's like,

28:28 he's not that guy. Like I, like he makes his line mates better. His line makes his line mates,

28:33 make him better. Like he was never going to be the focal point of a franchise. So I hated that,

28:38 you know, people would kind of say to him like, Oh, like you are not sit to him, but in general,

28:42 like he's making 7.25 million, you know, he's gotta be this, this, and that it's like, no,

28:46 it's, it's a, it's a, some of its parts kind of thing with David creatures, how I always felt

28:50 playoff assassin though, back in 2011, 2013, I thought he was fantastic. You go back to 2012

28:56 when he's injured with the pain of glass, bonks him in the head, they lose the series. He wasn't

29:01 such a weird thing. It was so, but a guy who I really, I enjoyed his candor. I enjoyed how direct

29:10 and blunt he was. A little thing about him that I don't think people realize, and maybe I made this

29:16 up, but it felt like if you wronged him on the ice, he hated you forever. Like it felt like he

29:21 hated TJ Oshie because TJ Oshie can custom back in 2010. And he just hated him for the rest of his

29:26 career. He just, he hated this guy. And I think he never liked Thomas mechanics because of mechanics.

29:31 And he was like the, the check darling and crazy. He's like, no, no, I am like, I'm the good,

29:36 I'm the best check center. It felt like they had a little bit of a feud there.

29:39 He's like, get out of here with your turtleneck pockets.

29:41 So I, I liked him a lot. You know, he's one of these guys too, that I feel like when we're older,

29:47 we're going to talk about what a great player he was. Kind of like how like the older generation

29:52 talks to people like me. I don't know, like you might be in the tweeter here, but like people

29:56 tell me what a great player Wayne Cashman was. Right. And what a great player Rick Middleton

30:00 was and how like, I missed those boats. And I was like, yeah, I wasn't around for that. Like,

30:04 I feel like creaky might be our version of that, you know, at 20 years from now, honestly.

30:09 Yeah, no, I agree. And you know, I, I loved his candor. I loved his honesty. You're right about,

30:15 like, he would, I think, make quick decisions on line mates, people he was on the power play with,

30:22 like he wasn't afraid to tell guys, I want the puck here. You need to do this, like direct

30:27 traffic and, and order guys to do things like he was a guy that was in charge when he was on the

30:31 ice and in those kinds of situations. But I think when you look back at this era of Bruins greatness

30:40 and this era of playoffs division titles, a Stanley cup title, all that stuff at the end of the day,

30:48 the team structure was at its simplest core. The foundation of this team was the two frontline

30:54 centers on the roster that you built around. It was Patrice Bergeron and David Creechie being able

31:00 to play in all situations, being able to play big minutes, being solid in their end solid in the

31:05 offensive zone, you know, making their teammates around the better. They did it in very different

31:09 ways. Obviously Creechie was more of a playmaker, a little more cerebral, but like the sauce passes

31:15 the division on the ice, like his shot got better. I thought as he got older and more into his career

31:20 and he got a little more dangerous as a scoring threat, the more it went on, but like all of that

31:26 stuff made him such a good second line center. That was okay being a second line center too,

31:31 and letting Patrice Bergeron, you know, get a lion's share of the credit, the leadership,

31:36 like all that stuff. It says something about Creechie that he was able to be sort of the

31:40 wingman with Bergeron and, you know, let him get a lot more of the limelight for the time that they

31:46 had together. But he was the guy that really stepped up in the playoffs and elevated his

31:50 game scoring wise and, you know, was as big as anybody else and them winning in 2011. So,

31:56 if it isn't for him, which I truly believe it is, like I loved watching him as a player. I

32:02 loved getting to know him as a person and I'm going to miss the way he would answer questions

32:07 and the honest way he would, like if I was looking for an honest answer about something

32:12 and get the real pulse of what was going on in the dressing room, like that was the guy I would

32:16 talk to about something. Oh yeah. And oftentimes he would surprise, I remember one time he like,

32:22 he crushed Claude Julien, like he was mad at him for, I think it was the, I think it was 2012

32:33 and I think it was when he, for a little while, I think he was on the third line that year towards

32:40 the end of the year. It was one of those seasons. Did they move him to wing? Was that? Yeah,

32:44 they did a bunch of stuff. They did a few things and like I caught him at the right time and like,

32:50 I think the breakup day and he's really started telling me what he thought. And then a few

32:55 minutes later I got the tap on the shoulder. It was him like, yeah, I don't want any of that out.

33:00 It's like, all right, but I'll cut you some slides. Like a professional courtesy, like you

33:04 need to get that off your chest. I get it. Like I'll give you a Mulligan, which in our industry,

33:08 sometimes you do that, right? Oh yeah. Like to build a relationship with players, you're

33:11 definitely going to give them some rope like that. And that was one of those instances where

33:14 he's a little too honest with his, with his feelings, which he could be from, from time

33:18 to time, which I love. Yeah. And that's sort of like, you know, it's funny, like if he walks away

33:25 now, it's a bummer, but at the same time, aren't you kind of, I mean, I was speaking personally

33:30 here. I got to know what Pablo Zaca can do, et cetera. Like I got to know. So there's a part of

33:35 me that's like, you know what, that's for the best. Because if you come back over here, the team's not

33:38 going to be as good. They'll be better with you here, but they won't be a Stanley cup contender.

33:42 And you know, it's like, we're kind of just delaying the inevitable here. Right. And I feel

33:46 like for the Bruins, it's almost good to find out if Pablo Zaca can be a second line center,

33:51 because if you can't, well, you know, he's a good second line wing. So now you're going to find a

33:56 center and I think I'm going to find one anyways, but it'd be nice to know where Zaca fits into the

34:00 equation here is particularly down the middle of the ice. Well, it could even be the first line

34:04 center. I mean, is it going to be this season? Like, I think that's like, I, I, I, are you of

34:10 the opinion that I am that we do not see any big move coming, you know, through the rest of the

34:16 summer training camp? Like, I don't see it. Yeah. We're, we're probably going to see a stretch of,

34:23 you know, Zaka and coil is your top two centers. We'll see what Morgan geeky can do.

34:27 And, you know, they're going to see what this looks like with, you know, some talented wingers,

34:32 obviously still there. Some guys that showed us some things in the series against Florida,

34:37 when Bergeron and crate, you were out certainly Zaka and it could look like they were up to the

34:41 challenge in that playoff series before Bergeron came back, they're up three to one. And those

34:46 guys were playing really well. And two solid, like two way players, obviously Zaka is going to get

34:51 half the baguette better in the face off circle. They're both going to have to prove that they can,

34:55 you know, really drive a line more than they have in the past, but they also have Marshan

35:00 and Pasternak around, you know, to, to help them and to generate the offense and to, you know,

35:06 do some center, like things at times to create. So like, I'm willing to see what it's going to

35:12 look like. And I think they're going to until at least a certain point in the season. And then

35:16 maybe they have to diagnose it and say, we have to get something done, but like the roster that

35:20 we see right now is the roster we're going to see like at the start of the year or something

35:24 very close to it without any big moves coming. Yeah. I can't see a big move coming. I just don't

35:28 see how they have the capital to pull that off right now. I don't see how they make it work from

35:33 a salary cap standpoint. It really feels like they are entering this year with all these different

35:39 avenues open. You know, you look at all the veterans they have on expiring contracts.

35:44 If it doesn't get off to a good start, there's a tangible benefit to them trying to recoup some of

35:51 their assets they've lost. Right. So I think right now, I think that's why I think there's not going

35:55 to be anything major between now and, and the start of the season is I think, because they're

35:59 going to look at it and say, we have all these doors open right now for us. Let's not close any

36:03 until we absolutely have to. Now let's flip that around. Okay. There have been some names that

36:10 have been highly attached to the Boston Bruins as available centers on the trade market. If they

36:17 really wanted to go that route, if they decided like they were going to trade Jeremy, Jeremy

36:22 Swinman, like whatever, like that there, there are like certain players they might be able to go out

36:26 and get either now or during the season. If things really go sideways at the center position, they

36:32 feel like they have to make a move. The names you hear Winnipeg, Mark Shively, Calgary, Elias Lindholm,

36:39 Edmonton, Ryan Nugent Hopkins, your thoughts on all three of them and a preference or a guy that

36:46 you think would make the most sense if they were going to go out and make a move just based on

36:50 who the player is, cap it, what you would have to give up, like, et cetera, fit all that stuff.

36:56 - Yeah. So Shively, Lindholm, and I'm sorry, the third one.

37:00 - Ryan Nugent Hopkins.

37:01 - Of the three, very interested in Elias Lindholm, not really into the other two. And I say that

37:09 because I think Elias Lindholm while a left shot is the closest thing you can get to Patrice

37:15 Bergeron on the open market. That two-way guy who you know can play with high-end players,

37:20 he can put up points, he can win some key face-offs. He was a Zelke finalist two years ago.

37:24 A guy that I really like his game. I think that that's where I would go if I could do it. If I'm

37:30 the Bruins, that's where I'm looking at my cap space and saying, if he hits open market, we're

37:35 throwing the bag at him, we're bringing him here. Shively, a little too old for me. He's what,

37:39 he's 34 years old now or he's approaching his mid-30s.

37:45 - And he's one-dimensional too. He's a very offensive guy. He puts up great offensive

37:51 numbers. He's definitely dynamic offensively. There's no doubt about it, but he's not a two-way

37:56 center like Lindholm is. That is my concern about him. But I also am concerned about him from the

38:03 something is rotten in Winnipeg thing as well, where they've gotten two coaches to be completely

38:10 exasperated. The last two coaches that have been there, Paul Maurice and now Rick Bonas.

38:15 And I have to wonder how much Shively plays into that and is part of that problem of what's going

38:20 on there. - Yeah. And by the way,

38:22 he's 30, but you'd be buying in basically on his back this years, if you want to call them that,

38:28 right? Which is not exactly. - Why would you do that to that,

38:30 Mark Shively? What did Mark Shively do to you, Ty? - Well, he kind of worked in his own locker

38:34 room. So maybe he had a couple. - I was going to say it's the

38:36 Matt Boleski years next. - He was like 28, I think when they did

38:40 that. He was young. - Well, you have a soft spot for him

38:43 because you guys like the same music, right? - I mean, there is that. There is that. No,

38:47 but no, I just think that with Shively, yeah, to your point, he's one dimensional. He's,

38:51 I'm confident that the Bruins can find an offensive center to play with the David

38:56 Pasternak. They've done a great job of finding guys who can play with David Pasternak. Eric

39:00 Hollow succeeded with David Pasternak. Pavel Zaka succeeded with David Pasternak. So I'm not worried.

39:05 - Even on a winger that can play with David Pasternak. Tyler Battuzzi was fantastic with David.

39:08 - Right. So I'm not worried about the offense. What I'm worried about is that two-way game.

39:13 That's been a staple of their culture, a staple of their contention, I would say in the last 20

39:18 years is being able to have that high-end two-way center. So that's why I love Elias Lindholm.

39:23 That's why I would throw a big bag of money at him. It's the same reason why, you know,

39:27 if he got there, I would say throw a big bag of money at Andre, I'm sorry, Alexey Barkov,

39:32 but he didn't get to free agency. So that didn't happen, right? Like those guys, I have a soft spot

39:37 for them. And it's probably because of Bergeron watching that excellence for as long as I did,

39:41 as long as we did, you know, it's like, you see the value in those kinds of centermen, right?

39:45 So, so of the three, that's where I'm going. And it's by a wide margin, in my opinion.

39:50 - Yeah, I agree. And I, a couple of Winnipeg stations had me on over the last seven to 10

39:56 days, whatever it was. And they were asking me like, who do you think Boston would prefer,

40:00 Shifley or Lindholm? And I was basically saying the same thing that you're saying now, hands down,

40:05 Lindholm, two-way center, facsimile of Bergeron, like the closest thing you could find to him of

40:10 anybody that's going to be available out there, offensively, defensively, 200 foot game. Like you

40:16 hear, you know, reasonably good things about him as a person too. And you know, who he is besides

40:21 being a player. So it seems like he fits a lot of the criteria. If you're just going to reach,

40:25 go out and reach somebody in another organization and decide, this is the guy that we're going to

40:29 kind of build around for the next three, four years. And the cap hits really good right now too,

40:34 right? It would be much easier to make the numbers work this season while you're in salary cap pain

40:39 before you sign them to a new contract for next season and beyond. And through that big bag of

40:44 cash at him, you'd more likely be able to do it this year because of the lower cap number.

40:49 But that also brings in, Nugent Hopkins is a pretty good cap number too. What if you could

40:55 theoretically trade Matt Griswick to the Edmonton Oilers for Ryan Nugent Hopkins? Would you do

40:59 something like that? I would do something like that. I mean, would, would Edmonton though. And

41:05 I think that's kind of where it is. Like, because I think you can build a package, but you have to

41:09 sort of look at it once the package is being built of like, okay, now it's, now it's a three for one.

41:14 And is this what we really want to do? Like, are we losing enough? Do we have replacements in house

41:19 to, to, to, you know, make up for that? Like, that's just why it feels like a really big year

41:24 for guys like Fabian Lysell, Mason Lowry. Like if they can take some big strides, now you don't

41:31 look at Jake DeBrusque and say, you have to pay him six and a half million dollars on his next

41:35 contract because you got this kid who was ready to come up, right? Like you have options. So

41:40 there's just so many things that are in flux right now that I would do that trade. It's a

41:44 matter of what is the plus plus coming from the Bruins point of view to make that kind of trade

41:48 happen. Yep. I just feel, but I don't love Nugent Hopkins as like a franchise centerpiece.

41:53 No, no, no, no. Yeah. It would be more if you wanted to get back to like coil being your third

42:00 line center, right. Finding somebody, maybe if you decided Zach, if Zach comes in and I'll,

42:05 I'll be honest with you. Like obviously Zach was like 45% on the face off circle,

42:09 clearly needs to do work on face offs. He's got Chris Kelly around. That's going to help him.

42:13 He got to watch between his Bergeron and David Creechie last year. You would think

42:17 he's going to be able to improve just based on that experience. And also just continuing to

42:21 practice at it. But like, there are so many things watching him all of last year that I really liked,

42:27 like I thought he was a pretty good two way player. I thought he was a very smart player.

42:32 You know, I thought he did a lot of really intelligent things, but I thought he was a

42:36 guy that hustled a lot. He backchecked, like he did things, not only that, but he's got the great

42:41 shot. And I think he continues to show if he's playing with good offensive players, that he is

42:45 going to be able to create offensively. Like I saw enough last year to say, maybe this guy can be a

42:51 a decent number one center. Like he's not going to be a hall of Famer. He's probably not going to

42:55 be an all-star, but he might have bringing enough to the table that you can put him in that position.

43:00 And he's going to start to flourish as he rounds out like the other parts of him playing center.

43:05 Cause if like, let's, if face offs are the only thing that's really problematic with him,

43:08 like you deal with that and hope he gets better. And he probably will. Like, I think that's a

43:13 skill that you can certainly acquire and get better at. Whereas with coil, I really think

43:18 at this point, having seen him as enough as we has, he's going to have stretches where he flashes

43:24 and plays great. He's going to have stretches where he looks dominant, physically fast can

43:28 finish off offensive plays. It looks like he's carrying guys on his back and like to the net

43:33 and, you know, just looks like a dream player, a franchise center, but he can't maintain that

43:37 for 82 games. And he, you know, he does a better job of maintaining it for a playoff run. I think

43:42 it's easier for him to do that, but he's just not a guy that I think that's going to consistently be

43:46 a top six center because he has the sort of ups and downs and he can't sort of maintain that level.

43:51 So like, if you can get another guy that you think is a top six center, maybe a second line center,

43:56 maybe think Nugent Hopkins is that guy. Maybe that solves the problem. If you think Zaka is your

44:02 number one guy. Yeah. And I think that's the big question I'd have with Nugent Hopkins is,

44:06 is he still a center? Is he more a wing now? You see him utilized as a left wing quite a bit in

44:11 Edmonton. Now that is to be expected when you have Leon Dreisleitel and Connor McDavid, but

44:16 that's something that I'd want to kind of know about him as well before committing to that kind

44:21 of a deal. You know, what's interesting is you mentioned Zaka, you mentioned Coyle.

44:24 It really is going to be, they're going to hope that it just combines into one

44:30 top center, right? Like, like, and you saw that last year with Coyle on the PK.

44:35 I thought he had a great year as a penalty killing forward for the Bruins. I thought he was

44:40 really, really surprised me. But at the same time, Zaka was getting worked into the PK more than he

44:46 was in New Jersey. He averaged over a minute of shorthanded time on ice per game as the face-offs,

44:50 as you mentioned, game one against Florida, he did pretty good. I think he won almost 60%

44:55 of his draws. He didn't match that for the rest of the series, but again, you saw it in that game

45:00 and you're like, okay, if you can get that a little bit more consistently, you got something

45:04 there. So, um, it's clearly going to be, they're going to just hope that they combine to make one

45:10 top line center for them. Right. And so, and you go from there and you see what happens, but yeah,

45:16 they're going to need one of those guys, like one of those guys you're talking about, they're going

45:19 to need somebody like that. And you know, the dangerous game here, Joe, the game that I'm,

45:23 I'm dreading personally, just as someone who wants to see the Bruins add some star power,

45:28 because it makes my job, our jobs a lot more fun when they have star power and when they're an

45:32 elite team in the league is you have some of these guys are going to be UFAs. Now you have to wait

45:38 and see if they get there. Right. Like Beau Horvat didn't get there. He got traded in the

45:41 sign extension immediately. You know, like that's, that's a dangerous game that is part of this as

45:46 well. Like, so we're sitting here saying they can't make a move. They, maybe they shouldn't

45:50 make a move, but how long can they really wait? Like that's the other part of the game here that

45:54 I think is really intriguing for the Bruins. It is. And like credit Don Sweeney. That's one of

46:00 the things he's been very good at is targeting and finding somebody that he thinks could be with the

46:06 Bruins long-term getting them as a rental and then signing them to a contract extension and

46:11 getting them to stay. And that's kind of become something he's, he's been very good at, you know,

46:16 like it obviously didn't work out that way with Bertuzzi, but Hampus Lindholm, Taylor Hall,

46:21 he's done it in the past where he found guys that he thought might be good fits for them

46:25 over the long-term, even though they're in the last year of their deals. And it's ended up

46:29 working out. And I think he's, they're capable of doing that again at the center position,

46:34 if it's Elias Lindholm or whoever they've decided could be an answer there. You just hope one of

46:39 those guys is available to acquire, you know, that's what it comes down to, right. Is they've

46:44 got to hope that Calgary just continues to, you know, float in the background and have an old

46:49 arena. It's like the saddle dome is the greatest thing working for the Bruins right now. And have

46:54 a bunch of players that don't really want to be there. It seems like too, you know, like, like

46:58 continue to hope that that's the case and it's turning into like Buffalo West out there slowly,

47:02 but surely. And that somebody is going to be able to slide in and be that guy. Cause you know,

47:09 as we've talked about before, they don't have any prospects that you think are going to step in and

47:14 be a top, certainly not a number one center and maybe even a top six center. You know, I like

47:19 Portra. I like what he did in development camp, but I, you know, he's a 19 year old kid. That's

47:23 still going back to juniors. Like we'll, we'll see on him. Like we thought Jack Statenica was,

47:28 was going to be fantastic a couple of years ago. And you know, JFK was Bergeron 2.0, you know,

47:33 like that was a name I have not heard in a long time. But that's what, I mean, that's what it is

47:40 like, like, you don't want to put the weight of the franchise on some of these kids when they

47:44 haven't even started the pro game yet. I mean, you know, but I think that, you know, I think

47:48 what's interesting here about this, this topic, and we're going to talk about this more and more

47:52 as the year goes on, I'm sure, but I firmly believe that the future of Cam Neely and the

47:57 future of Don Sweeney is dependent on getting this top high end center. And so that's why I think that

48:04 people are looking at this saying, oh, they have nothing. They have nothing. No, no, they're going

48:08 to get something because their jobs depend on getting something. So it's just a matter of who

48:13 it is and if it's the right fit. And so that's why I think this, this search is, you know, we have

48:18 our names right now. I'm curious how many more names are in there, you know, how many more names

48:22 are on their wall right now where they're saying this guy could be this, this guy could be that,

48:26 like, there's a lot of love slash Garnett Hathaway name is like rolling around in there that nobody

48:32 has mentioned at all. This is definitely going to be a couple of those that there's no question

48:36 about it. Ty, I would like to thank you for coming on with us and note for the record

48:41 that Victoria Von Doom, as soon as she jumped behind you immediately turned her back to me

48:45 and to the camera and what had none of this pucks with hags podcast. She was all set looking out

48:50 the window. Yeah, she's on, she's she's currently at castle doom right now. She's, she's looking

48:55 over her land. So, so yeah, so it's a nice area as we speak. Exactly. Cat very is alive and well.

49:03 Ooh, I love that. I love that. I'm going to use that now forever. Thank you. Thank you.

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49:28 delicious, ready to eat food in less than two minutes in the micro Ty Anderson. Thank you very

49:33 much for coming on with us. Let's do this again a little later down the road. Absolutely. Anytime.

49:38 I'm always, I'm always around unless I'm not, but I'm always around. So we got, we got that going

49:42 for us. I am in that same boat, unless I'm doing something, driving one of my kids somewhere and

49:46 being the Uber driver, just like Patrice Bergeron. I am also around. Thank you very much for listening.

49:50 Everybody. I'll see you at the ring.

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