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Pat and Matt discuss what the Patriots should do with the third pick in April's NFL Draft.

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00:00:30 All right, welcome into a March Madness edition of the Patreon Nation podcast.

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00:00:49 Come on now.

00:00:51 As always, it's your boy Pat Lane here with my guy Matt St. Gene.

00:00:55 And Matt, it's been a wild day. It's been a wild day.

00:00:59 I'm a big March Madness guy and opening day March Madness has lived up to the hype all day long.

00:01:05 It has in fact. It has in fact.

00:01:07 We had our first Rio bracket buster with an Oakland victory.

00:01:13 And as you said, we are now a Jack Golke podcast.

00:01:17 Legend.

00:01:18 10 out of 20 on threes just just absolutely on fire on fire against the Kentucky team that looked like at least that they were going to just absolutely run run away with at least things early in the early on.

00:01:33 Well, that is a Kentucky team all year that has been like really good, but really inconsistent on offense and like their best offensive players or negatives on defense.

00:01:42 Every time they play if their best offensive players aren't playing well, anybody can beat them and you have a guy with 10 for 20 from deep 10 for 20 from beyond the arc is what I think I'm going to do every time I go play pickup.

00:01:59 Which which usually turns into about one for seven and my teammates stop passing me the ball.

00:02:04 But yep, that's that's quite true.

00:02:06 That's quite true for my favorite was Long Beach State.

00:02:09 For those of you that don't know, by the way, hello to Gary and Matt and dad and Ashton out there saying hello to us guys and we appreciate you here.

00:02:16 Long Beach State in case you guys didn't know this.

00:02:19 By the way, the line was 19 and a half and they lost by 20, which is wild.

00:02:23 But Long Beach State fired their coach before the conference tournament.

00:02:27 And he was like, hey, I know you fired me, but like, can I keep coaching?

00:02:30 And they were like, yeah, OK, sure.

00:02:32 Why not?

00:02:33 He won the tournament.

00:02:34 So then they advance of the they advance to the NCAA tournament, which is like, wait, what?

00:02:39 So they were 15 seed against number two seed Arizona, who a lot of people have gone to the final four out of the West region.

00:02:46 And for the for the majority of the first half, they kept it really, really close.

00:02:52 Now, Arizona pulled away in the second half and blew them out.

00:02:54 But like it was like they were winning for a good chunk of that first half.

00:03:00 And it was like between one and two points or whatever.

00:03:03 And it was like it was a pretty wild game.

00:03:05 And then obviously, like I said, they pulled away at the end, but or pulled away in the second half, I should say.

00:03:09 But just just an awesome game to see, you know, what a storyline that would have been if they had somehow been able to pull that victory out.

00:03:16 Well, did you see the craziest part about that to me was that the athletic director tried to take credit for the run by basically being like, yeah, I fired the guy.

00:03:24 And that's what gave him the spark. It's like, did you know you do not get to play both sides here?

00:03:30 I love it. I love that so much. That's so good.

00:03:34 So what it's been it's been a good day. I'll tell you, you know, Creighton got cut the dub against Akron.

00:03:40 That one was close for a while. They ended up winning by 17, but that one was close for a while.

00:03:43 And then BYU loses to Duquesne.

00:03:47 Now, what's crazy about that? First of all, Duquesne stinks.

00:03:49 So I can't believe that they that they won that game. But what's wild about that?

00:03:54 And, you know, I hadn't really even heard this until someone mentioned it.

00:03:57 BYU was supposed to be a five seed. They were supposed to be a five seed.

00:04:02 The tournament, the selection committee actually said they are going to be a five seed.

00:04:07 But BYU didn't want to play on Sunday and the five seed was going to have to play on Sunday.

00:04:13 And so they said, all right, we'll make you a six seed instead and put you up against Duquesne and they lose.

00:04:20 And it's like, oh, my goodness, the fact they lost that game and BYU just, I guess, just play the crap because Duquesne, I didn't think was a very good team.

00:04:29 They well, there's a website called the Shot Quality out there, which like they use like video data to figure out like how open your shots are and who's taking them.

00:04:38 Like if everybody hit how they usually make shots, who would be winning? And they had BYU winning that game.

00:04:44 I think tells you everything about the fact that BYU could not make shots. They got shots.

00:04:48 They just wouldn't fall. It was brutal. And that was my first real bracket buster because I had BYU in my Sweet 16.

00:04:55 And I've lost I've lost a couple of Sweet 16 teams. I had BYU and I had Colorado State looked ugly, ugly against Texas.

00:05:04 Brutal, brutal game. Yeah. But other than those, you know, my lead eight, I think is still intact.

00:05:11 My final four is intact. Champions. Champion hasn't played yet, but you got about my bracket.

00:05:17 Yeah. So the only the only bracket, the only one I had losing in the Sweet 16 or in the Sweet 16 losing was Kentucky.

00:05:26 And so but outside of that, I have a few other losses, but it's all just first round losses.

00:05:33 I had Kentucky getting upset by Texas Tech. So that one didn't hurt me too much.

00:05:38 Yeah, there you go. So it didn't really matter. Yeah.

00:05:41 We got the late the late night slot while we're doing this podcast should be a lot of fun.

00:05:45 So if you see any either of us glancing past the camera, look, we'll be watching.

00:05:50 Don't worry. You know, it's it's March Madness time. What do you know? What do you want from us?

00:05:54 Yeah. Sports nuts here. So before we get into the football, who's your final four? Who's your champion?

00:06:01 All right. So I actually have three brackets. So I have two actual brackets that I submitted.

00:06:07 And then I have one bracket that I went through. So I do a math thing.

00:06:12 I'm a math teacher. For those who don't know, I'm a math teacher.

00:06:14 And I did a math thing about how the odds of projecting a perfect bracket are one in five quintillion, which is a number of 18 zeros.

00:06:24 And so I go through the consecutive probability about why every if every game is one or two.

00:06:28 And then it's like so then to predict the winner of the round of 32 game, it's actually one out of eight.

00:06:36 And then so they pick the next game. It's actually one out of one hundred thirty two. Right.

00:06:39 So this whole thing and I go through this whole thing. And so so I said, OK, what I'm going to do is I'm going to I'm going to let you guys choose.

00:06:49 So I just literally went through and had the kids just select. And so this one came out horrendously bad.

00:06:55 We've already lost the final four team. We've lost an elite team already. We've lost a sweet 16 team.

00:07:00 It's gross. The final four in this one is Yukon, Arizona, normal and in Florida and South Carolina with Florida, Arizona in the championship.

00:07:09 And I was like, but I just let it happen. I'm like, whatever, dude, that's fine.

00:07:13 My actual one, the actual one that I chose, I have Yukon, Arizona, Marquette, Purdue.

00:07:21 And I have Yukon beating Marquette for the championship. Big nice, a big East championship.

00:07:26 Therefore, leaning into it. See, it's funny. I'm a big East guy. I don't have a single big East team in my final four.

00:07:31 I have two of them losing right before it. I've got I've got Auburn.

00:07:35 I've Auburn upsetting Yukon, making it to the final four. OK, Arizona, just like you do.

00:07:40 And then I've got Houston and Purdue on the other side. I think those teams are really good.

00:07:43 And I got Purdue over Auburn in my championship. I hate it in Purdue.

00:07:47 I don't like that pick. It makes me feel very uncomfortable and I don't like myself for it.

00:07:51 But I ended up there. I have Purdue as my champion and I'm sticking by it.

00:07:54 All right. I hate it. Zach Eady's a bum, but, you know, that's the way it goes.

00:07:59 Berg asked what what grade I teach.

00:08:02 I teach eighth grade math and a little bit of 11th grade math, too, but mostly eighth grade math.

00:08:07 So, all right, let's get into let's get away from March Madness, if we can.

00:08:14 And also say hello, Berg and Eric and 618 Racing and old man Marvin Murph.

00:08:19 I seen you in there, too. Everybody's out there. Everyone's coming to the chat.

00:08:23 We appreciate you guys. Let's get into let's get into this number three pick, because this is going to be the conversation really forever.

00:08:31 Right. For the next week, for the next week, for the next month. And then really beyond the next month.

00:08:36 Also. After the draft, right, because this is the one that, you know, we look back at the next five years.

00:08:42 Right. What do they do here? How did they make this?

00:08:48 You know, how did they turn their franchise around, essentially, because that's what you're trying to do with number three.

00:08:53 Are you trying to turn your franchise around? And so the question is, and I'm going to bring it to you.

00:08:58 The question is, is do you feel like it was gone? So let's take it off the table.

00:09:05 So K. Williams going number one overall. It's happening. I don't care what people say about him. I don't care. Oh, you know, he's no don't care.

00:09:11 He's going number one overall. The bears will be dumb not to take him. He's going number one overall.

00:09:15 So we don't know what Washington we assume it's going to Washington is going to stay it, too.

00:09:20 We don't know what Washington is going to do. And I think it's about Washington.

00:09:27 They've played this so close to the vest. Yes. Like somebody pointed out, like with their coach hiring process outside of them,

00:09:34 not getting Ben Johnson and things that came out for that. We didn't hear a peep. We didn't hear a peep about the GM search.

00:09:41 So I obviously the odds have now shifted to Jaden Daniels there.

00:09:46 I think that might just be people in the media saying things.

00:09:51 No, maybe it is. I don't know if anybody has any actual insight into that.

00:09:56 Drake may has been the consensus number two until we got to like after the season.

00:10:01 So like I feel like they're just going to like Drake may ask and end up being the pick and it's going to be very normal.

00:10:06 But yeah, I don't think we're going to know. We may not know until, you know, when that card is actually in and it's announced.

00:10:13 Yeah. Well, you know, and that's to me, I think the Jaden Daniels thing is just because people think he'll fit better in Kingsbury system.

00:10:21 But like I think Drake may would fit just fine into a system, to be honest with you, if we're being honest.

00:10:26 I don't think there's issues with either one there. Right. So so the question becomes right.

00:10:32 And the question becomes, is Jaden Daniels or Drake may both of them is Jaden Daniels or Drake may going to be a top 10 quarterback in the NFL?

00:10:44 Because in the next three years, you need the guy you take a number three to be a top 10 quarterback in the NFL, because that's that's what it takes, because you're going to be able to get people in the comments talking about Minnesota.

00:10:55 Minnesota has loaded up. They have two first round picks next year. This year, they have their first round pick next year.

00:11:02 They might theoretically move Justin Jefferson, although I think they'd be insane to do that. I highly doubt they're going to do that.

00:11:08 And if you if you get a rookie quarterback, then you have all the money in the world to pay Justin Jefferson.

00:11:14 Exactly. Exactly. So and you wouldn't move up to get a quarterback and then trade the great the best wide receiver in the NFL.

00:11:21 That's stupid. So the question is. Is. Do you believe that Jaden Daniels and or Drake may are going to be top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL in the next three years?

00:11:35 And I think it's also like to kind of add more nuance to it, there's a certain amount of playing playing the odds of it.

00:11:45 Yeah. OK, because obviously, you know, there's never a guy that's 100 percent, even guys who get a number one overall.

00:11:52 Yes. But it's like, all right, it's going to be do we think this guy has tools to end up in the top five?

00:11:59 Do we think this guy has the mental ability to end up in the top five? Do we think that, you know, historical precedent indicates that our evaluations are correct?

00:12:08 We also don't necessarily want to bet the third pick on a guy who is, you know, a historical outlier.

00:12:14 And I think that's correct. I think that's something I personally I liked Bryce Young last year.

00:12:18 I also think I probably should have taken his size into consideration a lot more guys that big don't often end up being good NFL quarterbacks.

00:12:25 And if you're going to use the number one overall pick in the draft, you need to strongly consider that information in your decision making.

00:12:34 And maybe in the I'm assuming they did and they still liked him. And, you know, that's how it works.

00:12:38 You don't if you pick a quarterback, there's always going to be a certain amount of risk, a high degree of risk, because you can do you can make the right pick.

00:12:46 According to all the analysts, put everything around him and have it still not work.

00:12:50 That's the nature of this business. But it's do we have a guy we feel good about?

00:12:55 I think that's the first question you got to answer at pick three. And it's how many of these guys do we feel good about?

00:13:00 Right. And that's and that's really the question, right? I feel more comfortable with Drake May than I do with Jaden Daniels.

00:13:07 I think, you know, and you talk about the size thing. I mean, Jaden Daniels, his size quarterback, those guys typically don't pan out.

00:13:15 It doesn't mean that he won't, but he would be a historical outlier, right?

00:13:21 Based on the history of the league that we've seen so far, he would be an outlier at size and weight at his size and weight of being an elite quarterback in the NFL.

00:13:29 He just would. And so, again, that doesn't mean that he can't be, but it just makes him a little bit of an outlier.

00:13:36 And so I feel I feel more comfortable with Drake May. I still don't know how much I love Drake May, but I do think that he has the ability to get there.

00:13:49 I know a lot of people that I listen to and trust significantly believe that.

00:13:54 I know Phil Perry came out and said that he thinks that Drake May is not just the second best prospect in the draft, but the first best proctored from the draft.

00:14:01 He actually thinks he's a better prospect than Caleb Williams, which I don't know why I go that far.

00:14:06 But that's what Phil Perry believes. There's a lot of guys on on Twitter and elsewhere that really, really love Drake May and have him as their clear cut number two above Jaden Daniels.

00:14:16 And so, you know, and I believe them. But again, it's you always have the questions.

00:14:22 And if we want to go into these quarterbacks in depth, I think a little bit to talk about, you know, why it is that we like them.

00:14:29 Like for me, that the pro of a guy like Drake May is that when you watch, especially like his highlights, some of the cool stuff he does, he does things that remind you of Josh Allen.

00:14:39 He's creative. I think both Taylor Kyle's and I came to this conclusion separately that he does all of the things that Mac Jones tried to do, except they work.

00:14:49 He's athletic enough and smart enough and quick enough to pull it off and make those weird plays happen.

00:14:54 You know, we're talking about, you know, left handed throws while getting sacked, going for touchdowns type of thing.

00:15:00 He's got great size. He can run. He could basically do everything you want a modern quarterback to do.

00:15:07 And he's young and he's been productive all like immediately. The downside is that, you know, he's like Josh Allen.

00:15:14 There's inconsistencies. You have he has to grow a lot. He has to develop on the job. He has to be more accurate. Footwork has to be better.

00:15:22 He has to see the field better. All the things, all the things can be improved.

00:15:26 Sometimes you end up like Josh Allen. Sometimes you end up like Sam Darnold. And, you know, that's what that's who he turned out to be for you.

00:15:35 For Jaden Daniels, he might be the most accurate quarterback in this draft.

00:15:41 He's a really good thrower, but his anticipation, I think, is just as bad as May's and he has more experience.

00:15:52 His arm isn't as good as May's. He's very thin and he's like he's a highlight reel like his pro and his kind of the same thing.

00:15:58 He never gives up on a play. So he turns all these plays into highlight reels. But at the next level, those might be injuries with his size.

00:16:06 He played in an offense where all the receivers were like elite deep threats. And, you know, it's for anybody in the chat who's played like NCAA football 14.

00:16:15 Yeah, you get like a mobile quarterback and you call four verts and you watch all the defenders go down the field and you take off running with the quarterback.

00:16:22 That was like half of the Jaden Daniels offense. Is that going to work in the NFL? No. So he has to find ways to to get that production elsewhere.

00:16:31 I think Jaden Daniels is actually a lot like Justin Fields. And I liked Justin Fields a lot.

00:16:36 He's very similar in regards to like accurate guy playmaker on the run, needs to get a little bit more feel for it at the next level.

00:16:44 He's just thinner and older than Fields was coming out. And that's concerning.

00:16:51 So, like, I love Daniels. I think of the Patriots personally, I would take May at three. I wouldn't take Daniels at three.

00:16:56 I understand people who would. It's just about weighing how much do you weigh the injuries?

00:17:01 What do you think can be developed in a quarterback? I think is a big question here. Right. Because people have different philosophies on it.

00:17:08 Yeah. And people, you know, people in the chat are saying they don't love Drake May. And I don't blame you necessarily.

00:17:13 He's not a perfect guy. And Mercer is not sold on either of them. And I don't necessarily blame him for that.

00:17:18 Someone said that someone compared Jaden Daniels to RG3 and they have a similar size. I think Jaden Daniels is six, four, two, ten.

00:17:27 I think I just looked it up. I think RG3 was like six, two, two, sixteen or something like that.

00:17:32 So close to shorter. And he was a little bit heavier. So like RG3 was two inches shorter and a little bit heavier.

00:17:39 So we had a little bit more muscle on the Jaden Daniels. A little bit more size, I guess. But they're similar body types.

00:17:46 I don't know if they're the same type of thrower, but they were they have similar body types.

00:17:50 I think they're similar stylistically, too. And so, you know, I don't hate that comparison necessarily.

00:17:59 But, you know, who knows? I mean, you know, there were there were a lot of people that, you know, RG3, if he didn't get hurt, who knows what could have happened to him?

00:18:07 And so, you know, we'll see. Now people are talking about Bo Nix. And the problem I have with Bo Nix is that he was so bad at Auburn that I can't get that Auburn, like, tape out of my head.

00:18:22 I just can't get Auburn Bo Nix out of my head. He was better in Oregon, but Oregon's a wide open offense. It's not it's not the same, man. It really isn't. So that worries me.

00:18:33 Well, and it's the Oregon offense is like, like, you look at Nix's average depth of target. It's like only a couple yards down the field because they spread the field out wide.

00:18:43 They send receivers deep and they get underneath things to just kind of wear you down the field. Right. And where Nix was good was that he was able to repeatedly make the easy throws like he's really accurate underneath, which I don't think we saw at Auburn.

00:18:56 That was an area where he improved. Right. And he's got a good pocket presence. He's second only to Michael Penix and like pressure to sack rate. But like he's he's a good runner, but he's like he had an OK arm.

00:19:11 He's not he's not like a high level arm. He doesn't have high level accuracy down the field. He's never really been put in a position where it's like we need you to make high level throws down the field to win us a ball game at Oregon because that offense, you know, gives you so much.

00:19:27 So like you're counting on the most experienced college quarterback to ever play the game, suddenly finding another tier of improvement at the NFL, which can happen, but you never like. Right. How good of a bet is that? How much how much if we were putting money on it, how much money would you want to put on that?

00:19:44 That I would put pick number three on it. Well, not pick number. Absolutely not. Pick number thirty four. Maybe I think there's valid reasons either. We can go either way with it. And I think you have a good argument.

00:19:55 And I think that's the big thing for me, right, is that so those are the questions you have to ask yourself. And the hard thing is that everyone's looking at the same tape. Everyone's watching the same people. You know, it's like it's not it's not like we have access to some of the obviously the coaching staff and the scouting staff have access to the actual players and they can talk to them and look at them and, you know, they can write on the board and they can talk to their, you know, they can talk to their college coaches, talk to the high school coaches and talk to their teammates.

00:20:24 And everything, you know, they could do everything right and do all that research that we're not necessarily doing, of course. But they're looking at the same tape that we are, right? It's not they're not looking at anything else. And so people look at guys and have different evaluations.

00:20:40 And, you know, you just have to be confident that your evaluation is the right evaluation, that you're going to be correct. And what it comes down to is that if you believe that that guy can be a top five to 10 player in the end of in the NFL, you're doing it. Like you have to take the guy. You have to. Yeah. Yeah. And so if that's the case, then you take them.

00:21:07 And, you know, if it isn't the case, then you move out and you do something like Minnesota and Minnesota, you know, trades you 11 and 23 and their first time pick next year. And, you know, and then you, and then you kind of do something like that right now. Someone had said someone sent me a.

00:21:26 Well, actually maybe we can do it if you want, but Ben had sent me this guy, Ben had sent me a DM who has some really interesting ideas. But he sent me an idea saying trade Minnesota for 11, 23 and their first round pick next year. Then use that first round pick and number 68 to move up to get a pick in the twenties or pick around 20.

00:21:53 I don't think that idea at all, you know, and now you're drafting four guys in the top 34. Yeah. Right. And so that's, that's one of those things. Right. And so you might not, might not get your, uh, quarterback out of that, but what you will hopefully get is the less tackle a wide receiver, one, one other piece on offense, and you can flash in a defensive piece or take a flyer on a quarterback or whatever.

00:22:18 A hundred percent, right. A hundred percent. And I think, and that's one of those interesting things for me. And so it gets interesting. Right. And, and dirty guard here says, you know, Zach Wilson's eval wasn't correct. I mean, my eval Zach Wilson was correct. I don't know. It just depends on whose evaluation was correct. If the Patriots were at two, would they have taken Zach Wilson? I don't know. Right. It just depends on, it depends on the team that's taken.

00:22:41 And that was a particularly difficult year to do evaluations with COVID too. It was a weird, weird season. Um, and I think like, I don't know, I, the, the tough part with quarterbacks too, is that none of them are polished products. You're basically betting on somebody to improve at the next level. So your evaluation can be 100% correct. And the guy who doesn't improve, you know, you bet on trades that don't work or don't translate the way you thought they would thought the evaluation. It's the, that it's how you use that information.

00:23:08 How you blend that in with the stuff, which is the really the harder part here. Um, yeah, but yeah, it's, uh, I, I don't hate the idea. Well, I think the idea of trading back, I think it's, this is kind of like a two part logic tree for new England. The first question is what we talked about with the quarterback. Is there going to be somebody there at three that you think can be the guy and you take them? And if the answer to that question is no, then it kind of branches into two, two different trees.

00:23:35 One of the trees is how much do you value and like the guys who are non quarterbacks who are going to be on the board, Martin Harrison, June near, and anybody else that would be in consideration at that pick. And then the other half of it is how, how much value is there in trade-ups that are offered to you. And it's about evaluating those two sides of it and seeing which way you want to go with it. Um, so can I, I'll go ahead now, go ahead.

00:24:04 I had seen something interesting the other day and it was, it was an analysis of the highest paid players at each position and where they are found in the draft. And wide receiver was the position that was found third latest in the draft of all of the positions in the NFL. I want to say only like a linebacker and guard were behind it or something like that.

00:24:26 Um, but I think it also said that no wide receiver taken and like the top 10 is on the list, which I imagine will that data point is going to change very quickly here. You know, Chamar chase and Jalen Waddle and, um, don't want to say Smith are all up for extensions, but, uh, I don't remember if they all actually went in the top 10, but, um, I do think that is interesting when you consider, you know, how you handle those positions.

00:24:55 How you handle the wide receiver position going forward, which rather like, obviously you love Marvin Harrison jr. But would you rather have Marvin Harrison jr. Or one of the top four tackles and you take two wide receivers on days two and three of the draft, which one of those gives you better odds. That's an open question. I don't think there is an answer to it, but I think it's interesting to think about.

00:25:18 Yeah, I agree. Well, and you know, what's, what I find interesting is that I've seen some people and someone actually commented in the chat about it too. Um, about moving back with just with LA, you move back two spots to five LA gets Marvin Harrison jr. And they don't give up a ton. You don't gotta go a ton to get there, but you know, maybe their third round pick this year and the third round pick next year or something like that. Right. It's not, it's not going to be a, a hall to play.

00:25:47 A hall to move up two spots. Um, and then you take, in my opinion, the safest pick of the first round, the safest pick in the entire draft, in my opinion, Murph, I hope you're listening Murph because the safest pick in the, in the draft is Joe.

00:26:05 All he's the safest pick in the draft. If that guy isn't a, an absolute stud, all pro left tackle, I, nobody knows anything about football. If that guy's not an absolute monster, he's incredible. He's quick as hell. He's fantastic. He's incredible. He's really good. I don't know if I can justify him at three with the need at quarterback and with the opportunity to get so many different options to move back to 11 and still get a, a

00:26:34 pro bowl level left tackle. I don't know if it's worth it to take them at three when you can still get a pro bowl guy at 11, but I do, I can tell you that I think he's, he might be the best player to come out of this draft.

00:26:49 And again, I just feel like if I had to bet my life on one guy, go being a hall of famer from this class, it would be that guy.

00:26:57 So I would still say Marvin Harrison jr. There. But, um, I think, I think one of the things that makes it interesting here is that wide receiver and offensive tackle have a loaded, like top tier, right?

00:27:09 Right. Like I really like Joe Alt, but like Troy Fatanu, if you get him at like 11, yeah, but the problem with him is he's mostly a right tackle. That's, that's the issue is he's mostly, you're thinking of, you're thinking of Fouaga.

00:27:22 Fouaga, the two, yeah, they get me too. Um, but then it's like, I still think he's high level and the same thing for the wide receiver. Like I love Marvin Harrison jr.

00:27:35 You traded back, ended up with Romo Dunze. You're also going to love that. Um, right. So I think that's like, I don't, I don't know. I don't know where they view it.

00:27:46 And I think another important question here, which, you know, they have answered in the building, but we don't is how did they view this year? Right. Is there, is their goal for this year to put it all out on the field?

00:27:59 Or is their goal for this year to throw a bunch of draft picks at the board, but mostly just build a value. And this is like year zero, this is your transitional year.

00:28:08 This is your foundational year. This is your evaluative year. And next year is where you kind of take your lessons learned and hopefully have a whole bunch of cap space and draft capital and put a bunch of pieces together.

00:28:21 Um, and I think, you know, it's hard to tell with free agency because they went after Calvin Ridley very aggressively and everything drops off after that, you know, with a really high quality receivers.

00:28:33 So you can't do anything there. There's no high quality tackles. So you can't be aggressive there. There were no, there was one opportunity for them to show they could be aggressive in free agency and they went for it and didn't get it.

00:28:44 So, um, it's tough to tell exactly where this front office is, how they view the team, where they want to go. Um, although I do think what Jacoby Brissett was a one year deal, right?

00:28:55 Yes. One year, $8 million. Yep.

00:28:57 I did think that was interesting because, um, I think if their expectation was, Hey, we're going to assign somebody and we're going to have them, you know, be a starter this year and a backup in the future, you do a multi-year deal.

00:29:11 I think the fact that it's one year is interesting. And maybe that's on Brissett, maybe Brissett's like, Hey, I want to hit the market again and I'll come back if you want me, but I want my money.

00:29:20 Um, but I think that indicates everything that we've seen, I think indicates that they want to be aggressive and go in now and get a quarterback and just start going, but it's also silly season and that could all be smoke screens trying to drive up the cost of a trade up.

00:29:35 And a hundred percent. And again, it all comes down to the evaluation and they're not dumb enough to, they're not dumb enough to just randomly take a quarterback at three.

00:29:43 You're just not taking the best guy available. Oh, we're just not taking, well, he's the best quarterbacks. We're going to take them. No, no, no, no, no.

00:29:50 That's not what you're doing. And I can't imagine that's what they're actually going to do. And so, you know, we have to just trust that they know what they're doing.

00:29:57 Um, but you're right. It doesn't seem like they want to just sit back and like tank this year again, but we'll see, you know, you never know how it goes and, and, uh, and where it's going to go.

00:30:09 But I'll tell you, Hey, Merif, thanks for coming through, man. We appreciate you as always, sir. Um, but you know, it's for me personally, it's, it's that question, right?

00:30:22 Like how fast do they want the rebuild to happen? Right. And if the rebuild, if they want the rebuild to happen right away, yeah, you need an elite quarterback to do that.

00:30:31 And so, and that, I mean, you know, well, who knows the answer to that question about how fast they want to do it is also very tied to the first question we asked in this whole thing.

00:30:41 Do they think there's going to be a quarterback there? They can win with exactly. That can be the guy for them.

00:30:46 Um, yeah, I've also, I've seen a lot of, uh, JJ McCarthy talk in the chat. So I figure I'll just, you know, bring that subject up.

00:30:52 Somebody had, somebody had said that they weren't sure he was a guy, you know, who's going to go in the first, I think it's all media hype. I don't agree there.

00:31:01 Um, JJ McCarthy is the kind of guy who is incredibly coachable and has all of the intangibles and all of the things that coaches and scouts football people love.

00:31:13 And he doesn't have the flashy numbers and you put those two together. And that is a prime candidate for someone who isn't on fans radars in October, but who is on scouts radars.

00:31:24 And when the media starts getting the information fed to them by front offices and they find out what front offices actually think about a guy, that's when he will start to move up boards.

00:31:34 And McCarthy is a projection. And I think there's, you know, there's the two sides of it. There's the one, like, how good is he now? I think that's very much a question mark with his tape.

00:31:44 You see him do a lot of good things, but you know, it's never, not usually in these super high difficulty situations, even though he did excel in those when he got the opportunity.

00:31:53 The other thing is how high is his ceiling, his tools, you know, one could look at his tools and say, this is bigger Mayfield ask. And the question is, do you want to use a first round pick on a guy whose ceiling is Baker Mayfield?

00:32:08 Right.

00:32:09 But if it's in the top 10, he did well at the combine though. He measured in taller and bigger than I expected. Yeah. He's, he's has more weight on him than I thought. So I think he's going to go top 10.

00:32:22 I wouldn't be super shocked if Drake may goes at two. I wouldn't be shocked if the Vikings move up to three with the Patriots to go get JJ McCarthy, because he's a fit for what they want to do offensively. And they've been looking for a quarterback and they've been aggressive.

00:32:38 And when I give up all that draft capital for JJ McCarthy, absolutely not. But I'm not a front office GM, and I'm not a guy with my job on the line. And I'm not a person who's talking to the quarterback and personally falling in love with a prospect.

00:32:50 Right.

00:32:51 So I'm not in those shoes. The guys who are seem to be talking themselves into it.

00:32:55 Yeah. And so we'll see. I mean, it's a long way to go, of course, but like, but on all those smoke screens that it could a hundred percent be fake. It could be no chance that, you know, JJ McCarthy, JJ McCarthy might drop it to the second round and you know, whatever.

00:33:09 It'd be another Malik Willis for all we know.

00:33:11 Yup. Or even Will Levis, right? Will Levis was supposed to go in the first round. He waited till the second round too. So there's certainly a chance that it happens that way, but it does sound as though as soon as they started talking to executives and getting their opinions on it, you know, that he, that they were all of a sudden like, oh, JJ McCarthy is actually pretty good. Maybe we'll have to do it.

00:33:32 And it's, and the JJ McCarthy stuff doesn't happen for some people. I'm sure it does, but his evaluation, it's not about the championship they won. It's about the fact that, you know, he has a lot of tools. He has a good arm, he's accurate. He's made plays on third down. He's mobile. He can make plays on the run. You can use designed runs with him.

00:33:50 The Patriot Patriots, Michigan did that with him in the playoffs and big moments. And he's shown he can make every single throw. Like don't the volume numbers with him are largely because this Michigan offense was Michigan was up by like 30 points halfway through the third quarter.

00:34:08 And now almost every game they played and took their foot off the gas. It's not about the volumes that's with him because that's not how this team went. And that's also a Jim Harbaugh thing. They didn't Jim Harbaugh was at Stanford. Andrew Luck didn't throw the ball massive amounts. Either they ran it a ton because Jim Harbaugh loves that.

00:34:26 So, um, no, it's not. And that's like I, JJ McCarthy to me is a classic, like second round quarterback who's going to take it in the first because he's a quarterback. And those guys slide up as high as the top 10 all the time. Yep. That's a good point. Good point. So I had one more quarterback note before you move on. Yes, do it.

00:34:46 I was watching Xavier Legate tape last night, South Carolina. Yep. I am just, I had like gotten some optimism for Spencer Rattler for not watching him for a while. And I watched that game and I forgot why I did not like Spencer Rattler. Oh, my goodness. Like I, he's got the talent, like he's trying out there, but some of the reads some of the throws.

00:35:10 It was, it was rough. It was by far the worst quarterback tape I've watched of any of the people I've watched so far this year. And, uh, yeah, so I am, I'm just out on taking Spencer Rattler from New England. Like, yeah, you got to fix quarterback, but I'd rather use your third round pick on a wide receiver. And you're like, then take Rattler because I feel like Rattler is just an automatic bust.

00:35:33 Yeah, right. Yep. You're not wrong. So I'm just throwing that third round pick away, traded for somebody instead of drafting Spencer Rattler, go throw it to somebody for a receiver or something.

00:35:45 Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame you. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll take a break and then we'll and we'll come back and and continue the conversation with a few a few other guys. And then we'll do our last few segments.

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00:37:20 So anyways, is there another quarterback you want to talk about? Would you like to discuss my guy from Tulane?

00:37:42 I think he's a similar quarterback. He just threw it less, ran it a lot more. You could throw a pick at him. I haven't gone super deep into my Michael Pratt analysis and it also included their game against USC last year where USC has one of the most disgusting defenses I think I've ever set my eyes on. So I don't think I can take much away from that.

00:38:10 Throw a pick at him if you want. I would rather use it on somebody else. You already have Bailey Zappi on the roster. If you're going to add another one, just keep Zappi and save your draft capital for something else.

00:38:24 I do agree with you. I'm more intrigued by a guy like Jordan Travis. He's a late round flyer guy, but there's things that he does that normal quarterbacks you don't already have on the roster can't do. I don't know if he's ever actually going to be a good NFL quarterback, but if you're betting on traits, I'd rather bet on a trait like that as opposed to a trait like Michael Pratt.

00:38:50 I think it's also tough this year because a lot of the Day 2, Day 3 quarterbacks are super old guys. I don't know how much untapped potential there is with any of them. One of the names, Austin Reed, who was Bailey Zappi's successor at Western Kentucky, I think he came up from a D2 school or something.

00:39:14 He's kind of interesting if you're going to throw a pick at somebody, but I think if you're going to do a late round pick, I'd almost rather just wait for an undrafted free agent and bring in a camp body and see if it's anything. I don't think there's a whole lot of difference between most of these guys. I don't think there's a lot of untapped potential on any of them. I think you use your first or your second on a quarterback, and after that, you're just going for other positions. Personally, that's my feeling.

00:39:41 I agree with you. I agree with you. All right. Ooh, a good question here from John Neal. Six wideouts currently on the roster. Juju, Hamler, DeMario, Keyshawn Booty.

00:39:52 Not Hamler. Osborne.

00:39:54 Jesus Christ. Oh, boy. Oh, the draft talk really got me screwed up. KJ, I see like from years ago. KJ Osborne, DeMario Douglas, Keyshawn Booty, Tyquan Thornton, Kendrick Bourne. Do you really think they go into camp with seven? I think no, but I don't think, assuming they draft a quarterback, assuming they draft a wide receiver, I doubt Juju's here next year.

00:40:22 And I, Keyshawn Booty is certainly not locked to make the roster. So I wouldn't be surprised if they went into camp with eight or nine guys.

00:40:29 They usually do.

00:40:31 But seven isn't, you know, seven aren't making the team. Juju maybe gets traded in camp or gets cut in camp. Keyshawn Booty, like probably not going to make the roster. TJ, TJ.

00:40:42 Trade Nixon. Trade Nixon's still out there. So that's, you know.

00:40:45 He's gone. He's gone now.

00:40:48 No, he's not. Didn't he sign a futures contract with him?

00:40:52 No, he didn't. He's one of the few that didn't.

00:40:55 Yeah. Well, I think the thing that's interesting is like, you know, like Rager. Well, Rager, I actually really like the Rager signing because I think he's decent as a backup, decent as like a fourth, fifth wide receiver type.

00:41:08 And he's a kick returner now. He was that last year and kick returns back in. You have to do that again. So I think he'll be a valuable spot.

00:41:18 Tyco and Thornton, you know, he might not make the roster. Keyshawn Booty, I'm still a little bit surprised he's on the roster at this point.

00:41:25 I don't expect him to make it. I think you'd need to see serious improvement. And he has the legal troubles.

00:41:30 I would be willing to bet that you're going to have at least one or two receivers who aren't on the roster right now that end up making it out of camp.

00:41:38 I think they probably draft at least one and sign at least one more still.

00:41:44 Yeah. Even if like even if that one is a camp body like they're going to put it this way.

00:41:51 I think Osborne, Bourne and DeMario Douglas are the only three guys I'm confident are going to be breaking camp with this team.

00:41:59 And even then like Hendrick Bourne, I think is ahead of schedule in his ACL.

00:42:04 A guy like that is totally a candidate to start the season on the PUP list.

00:42:09 You know, if things go slower than people expect, that happens.

00:42:13 So now I think you're going to my personal philosophy on this would be to draft two receivers.

00:42:19 Throw one high pick, one medium to low pick at it.

00:42:24 And hopefully both of those guys make the roster and turn into something for you.

00:42:28 Right. And don't worry about who's on your roster right now because your wide receiving core is not good.

00:42:32 So it doesn't matter what the numbers look like.

00:42:34 You know, whether or not they do anything doesn't mean anything. It's irrelevant. It doesn't make a difference.

00:42:42 I would also say like Juju Smith-Schuster, I think he's going to end up being gone.

00:42:46 They haven't caught him yet though because he's expensive to cut. You have to eat a lot of money on it.

00:42:51 Right.

00:42:52 He's a guy who they find to be valuable as a teammate.

00:42:57 Supposedly he's a good locker room guy and he's dealt with injuries if they think he might be healthier next year.

00:43:06 And he's definitely a good locker room guy and everything.

00:43:08 I won't be shocked if they do bring him into camp and let him battle.

00:43:11 Yeah, why not?

00:43:12 See how it goes. Or at least you bring him into OTAs and your early offseason stuff in May and see how it looks then.

00:43:20 And if you know this guy's not making it, you cut him then.

00:43:23 You let him go catch on in camp with somebody else and see if he can make it there.

00:43:28 Or you theoretically trade him somewhere for a seventh round pick or something. You know what I mean?

00:43:31 I don't even think that's going to end up happening.

00:43:35 I think with the contract, I don't think anybody's going to take that money.

00:43:38 I think you just got to eat it and move on.

00:43:40 You're probably right.

00:43:42 But it is a good question about the wide receivers.

00:43:44 And there are more wide receivers on the team.

00:43:46 You mentioned Jalen Rager and there are a few other guys that are just random dudes.

00:43:50 TJ Luther?

00:43:52 Yeah.

00:43:54 There are guys that are there.

00:43:56 There are nine guys right now.

00:43:58 Yeah.

00:44:00 Again, that doesn't matter because what's the worst thing that could happen?

00:44:05 Oh my god, you end up with a ton of wide receivers that are really good.

00:44:08 That's a terrible problem to have.

00:44:10 Who cares?

00:44:12 I wouldn't worry about that at all.

00:44:15 You need explosive guys.

00:44:18 They don't have a lot of those.

00:44:20 They need way more of those.

00:44:22 That's really what I'd care about right now.

00:44:25 That's what Typhon is supposed to be and he hasn't been.

00:44:28 It's year three for him.

00:44:30 The second round pick usually gets you two years on a roster.

00:44:33 That's up now.

00:44:35 I think you've got three spots that are open to be fought for in camp.

00:44:43 And at least one or two bodies, if not more, to be added to that competition.

00:44:48 Typhon added some weight this summer.

00:44:50 It looks like this offseason he's adding some weight, which is good.

00:44:53 I don't know if that's going to impact him at all on the field.

00:44:57 But good for him for putting the work in.

00:45:00 Burley is getting a shout out here because anytime you come up with a dad joke,

00:45:04 you get a shout out.

00:45:05 When they tell Keisha when he's cut, that will be a booty call.

00:45:08 Love it.

00:45:09 Love it.

00:45:10 Good stuff right there.

00:45:11 Matt Mineta is a second round pick.

00:45:13 Get you two years on a roster unless you are Duke Dawson.

00:45:16 That's a great point, Matt.

00:45:18 Duke Dawson is, I still think, the most under-hated draft pick of the Bill Belichick era.

00:45:24 That was 2018, right? Or was it 2017?

00:45:28 I think that was 2018.

00:45:31 2017 was the one they drafted three guys.

00:45:34 2018 was a year where they needed to come out with some offensive talent.

00:45:40 Duke Dawson, who never plays a single snap for you at slot corner,

00:45:47 they missed on so many slot corner picks for so long.

00:45:52 They just kept using them at the position and then didn't use any of them on receivers.

00:45:57 Yep. And as Matt pointed out, he traded up for them too.

00:46:00 Just an absolute abomination of a pick.

00:46:03 And it wasn't a reach or anything either.

00:46:05 I think it was a reach a little bit, but not like anything crazy.

00:46:09 Not like Jordan Richards.

00:46:10 No, it's not like people were like, "What is Belichick doing?

00:46:16 That's the worst pick ever."

00:46:18 No one really said that.

00:46:20 But it's tough when you look back at like--

00:46:23 So what's interesting about it is that he was taken in the '50s.

00:46:26 I think he was '50-- hold on, '56.

00:46:30 And so you start to look at the guys that went after him.

00:46:33 DJ Shark went in '61, who like whatever.

00:46:35 But Colton Davis went in '63.

00:46:37 Colton Davis, by the way, was the pick that the Patriots traded up.

00:46:42 But it's one of those things that like the Patriots were at '63.

00:46:45 They moved up to '56 to draft Duke Dawson.

00:46:47 And at '63, Tampa took Colton Davis, who like--

00:46:50 He's not an unbelievable player, but a hell of a lot better.

00:46:53 You know what I mean?

00:46:54 Well, like DJ Shark-- I'd rather have DJ Shark than Nicky O'Hairy.

00:46:58 Like 100%.

00:47:00 So that is tough to believe.

00:47:03 Fred Warner goes at '70.

00:47:05 You go down the list, and you're like, "Oh my god, dude."

00:47:08 Within the span-- Michael Gallup goes '81.

00:47:11 So within the span of like-- Orlando Brown goes '83.

00:47:14 Mark Andrews goes '86.

00:47:16 So within the span of just one round, you're looking at it like,

00:47:19 "Oh my god, there's so many guys that they missed out on."

00:47:22 It would have been so much better.

00:47:24 So it just-- it is what it is.

00:47:26 When it's also 2015, you use a second on Jordan Richards,

00:47:30 who's a slot defender there as a safety, and it doesn't work out.

00:47:35 2016, you use your first pick, a second on Cyrus Jones, a slot corner.

00:47:39 It doesn't work out.

00:47:41 2018, you use your second-round pick on Duke Dawson, a slot corner.

00:47:45 It doesn't work out.

00:47:47 And then 2019, you used it on Jawan Williams in the second round.

00:47:51 He's not a slot defender, but he is in your secondary,

00:47:54 and that doesn't work out.

00:47:56 It really is astonishing that the secondary has been as good as it's been

00:47:59 that entire time with how often they have whiffed on the draft picks.

00:48:03 Shout-out to their undrafted free agent signings,

00:48:06 Malcolm Butler and Jonathan Jones and JC Jackson,

00:48:09 and they are kind of saving the day for you.

00:48:11 - Yeah. - Kyle Bryant.

00:48:13 It's been disastrous. I mean, really, really disastrous.

00:48:16 And those are-- those picks set you back, you know what I mean?

00:48:19 And, you know, someone said-- Matt says Jordan Richards over Tyler Lockett

00:48:22 was a disgrace, and it was.

00:48:24 You can look at so many other positions, and you're like,

00:48:27 "Man, so many other spots that they could have hit on

00:48:30 or drafted potentially impact players and, you know, gone from there now."

00:48:36 And I will push back on it, like, G over here saying that

00:48:39 he was Hawk Garber's in the draft.

00:48:41 I don't agree with that in total.

00:48:43 I do think that Belichick had some really, really good drafts.

00:48:46 I think he had a stretch-- he had a stretch from, you know,

00:48:52 2016-- really '17, but maybe even '16--

00:48:56 to about 2020-ish where he was bad.

00:49:00 And that is why you have the-- you know,

00:49:03 why you have no talent on your roster right now

00:49:05 because those guys should be your veterans on your roster,

00:49:07 and you didn't get anybody from that-- you know, from that group of guys.

00:49:12 And so-- but you're starting to see now these 2020 guys,

00:49:15 Kyle Duggar, Mike Arwenu, Josh Uche-- those guys are coming back.

00:49:19 So he hit on a few of those guys, but that was 2020, right?

00:49:23 And so before that, for those few years, you missed on a bunch of guys.

00:49:28 And even going back to 2015, they had a few picks in 2015 that did well,

00:49:32 and they had a few picks in 2016 that did well,

00:49:34 but, like, for the most part, you know, it really wasn't great,

00:49:38 and that's really where you are.

00:49:40 So-- and, you know, and Matt pointed out too, like,

00:49:44 they cut Craveau and LeBlanc and Kenny Moore in consecutive years,

00:49:47 and it was like, man.

00:49:49 You know, and so he kept JC Jackson, which is fine,

00:49:52 but, like, those two guys, it's like they both--

00:49:56 and Craveau and LeBlanc was fine.

00:49:58 He wasn't, like, a superstar or anything like that,

00:50:00 but he was a good player, and Kenny Moore's been really good for Indy

00:50:02 since the Patriots cut him, and so, you know, those are things that's, like,

00:50:05 they usually nailed those, and they just didn't.

00:50:07 You know what I mean?

00:50:09 Well, and it's not a UDFA, but you go back to 2012.

00:50:11 They drafted Tavon Wilson pretty high, and, like, over time,

00:50:15 he turned out to be a decent player, but he was nothing.

00:50:18 He never lived up to that draft pick, but then in the second round,

00:50:21 you got Alphonso Dennard, who had a short tenure in New England,

00:50:25 but he was decent when he was there.

00:50:27 He was good, and then he fell off pretty quickly,

00:50:30 but it's really funny how there was this habit of draft a DB in the second round

00:50:35 and sign an undrafted free agent, and the undrafted free agent's going to be

00:50:38 better than the guy you picked in the second round.

00:50:40 And if any of those years you're taking offensive players instead,

00:50:44 like, you feel a bit like that's the whole--

00:50:47 like, you can almost trace the failures in the draft back to trying to rebuild

00:50:52 after the first dynasty, trying to rebuild the secondary

00:50:55 and throwing so many draft picks at it and missing so often.

00:50:58 Yeah.

00:50:59 And they eventually did rebuild the secondary,

00:51:02 but they had to throw so many draft picks at it

00:51:04 over such a large amount of time to do it that it hurt you in other ways.

00:51:09 And you also lost the greatest quarterback in the tight end of all time

00:51:12 in that span, and that hurts too.

00:51:14 That doesn't help.

00:51:15 Yeah, that certainly doesn't help.

00:51:16 And it's like 2021, draft is OK, obviously Mack,

00:51:20 but then you have Barnwarn there, you have Vermondra in there,

00:51:23 which are two good players.

00:51:24 Ronnie Perkins never did anything for you.

00:51:26 Cam McGroan never played here.

00:51:27 Josh Bledsoe, whatever.

00:51:29 He's still around.

00:51:30 No, he'll--

00:51:31 Yeah, but like--

00:51:32 He'll compete for a six-round pick, he'll compete for a backup job this year.

00:51:36 I think that's--

00:51:37 Which is fine.

00:51:38 Right, which is fine.

00:51:39 And then 2022, again, disaster of a draft.

00:51:42 Now, let's see how Cole Strange plays this year,

00:51:45 but still at 29, I don't love that pick.

00:51:47 Ty Cohen, we'll see.

00:51:49 Don't love it.

00:51:50 Mark Stunes is still very much a question mark, I think.

00:51:52 Don't you dare.

00:51:53 As much as I love him.

00:51:54 Don't you dare.

00:51:55 Don't do it.

00:51:56 Not as a returner.

00:51:57 He's a leader to returners.

00:51:58 Will not accept it.

00:51:59 Will not accept it.

00:52:00 No, listen, you're not wrong.

00:52:04 But, you know, Jack Jones, obviously good player, off the field, just disastrous.

00:52:09 And the rest of the draft is just hot garbage.

00:52:11 Sam Roberts maybe will compete a little bit.

00:52:13 Yeah, Sam Roberts could slide in that Laurence Guy role this year.

00:52:17 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:18 And so we'll see what happens.

00:52:19 You know what I mean?

00:52:20 And it's-- you go back to the 2021 draft.

00:52:22 What I will defend here is that I still think Mack Jones was the right pick.

00:52:26 He was.

00:52:27 Because they needed a quarterback.

00:52:28 He was the best on the board.

00:52:30 And like, I don't think anybody was fooled about what the evaluation was.

00:52:33 He just, you know, didn't develop the way you thought he would.

00:52:36 A lot of that's on the organization.

00:52:38 And a lot of that is on Mack Jones himself.

00:52:40 And that's life.

00:52:42 I think if you go back then, too, there's nobody in the next couple of picks that you're like kicking yourself.

00:52:47 Oh, man, we could have gotten this guy.

00:52:49 Like, if they had taken Mack Jones and Michael Parsons who was still on the board, yeah, you might be like, oh, man, that's one we wish we had back.

00:52:56 But there's nobody like in the next couple of picks.

00:52:59 There's a couple offensive linemen that went in the 20s that are like, all right, it would be nice if we had them.

00:53:03 But other than that--

00:53:04 I mean, the best player taken in the first round probably was like Christian Darasaw and Jaylon Phillips.

00:53:12 Darasaw.

00:53:13 Outside of 15.

00:53:14 Darasaw is the guy you want.

00:53:16 And that was a couple picks.

00:53:18 That was like six or seven picks later, I think.

00:53:19 Eight picks, yeah, 23.

00:53:20 Eight picks later.

00:53:21 Yeah, so--

00:53:23 But like, you know, how do you justify taking a left tackle there over a quarterback?

00:53:28 You can't.

00:53:29 You can't justify taking a left tackle over a quarterback.

00:53:31 Especially when you look at where they were at the time.

00:53:34 You think Isaiah Wynn is a guy for you.

00:53:37 Right.

00:53:38 And that left tackle.

00:53:39 So you don't think that's a need then.

00:53:41 I still think that's the most underrated aspect of this whole thing.

00:53:44 The offensive line largely got to where it got to because they thought they had a franchise left tackle and he completely fell apart.

00:53:51 He didn't.

00:53:52 Right.

00:53:53 Yeah.

00:53:54 So again, it always comes back to talent evaluation, right?

00:53:57 Know what you have and do it right.

00:54:00 And so that's, you know--

00:54:02 And accumulating just a number of draft picks, I think, can't be underrated either.

00:54:08 Because even when you do it right, you're going to mess up.

00:54:11 100%.

00:54:12 So like if we can have-- that's why you take two receivers.

00:54:15 Because you're probably going to miss them, one of them.

00:54:18 But the other-- like Pop and Keishon Booty.

00:54:21 Booty looks like a miss.

00:54:22 But Demario Douglas is a starting receiver in the NFL.

00:54:25 Correct.

00:54:26 You feel good about it.

00:54:27 Yeah.

00:54:28 And so the argument here, right, is that Bill wanted to wait and take Davis Mills, which is fine.

00:54:32 And I get that argument.

00:54:34 But he wanted to take Christian Baltimore at 15, who he got at 38.

00:54:38 So like it just--

00:54:39 Doesn't change.

00:54:40 Doesn't matter.

00:54:41 It's not going to change anything, right?

00:54:43 And so that's the thing for me is that you look at that and kind of go through it and say, look, we can argue about it all day about whose pick it was and what should have happened and so on and so forth.

00:54:54 But what difference does it make?

00:54:56 And so that's the thing for me.

00:54:59 Yeah.

00:55:00 I also-- I'll bring up another note here.

00:55:03 Because I saw a mention in there about picking kickers.

00:55:07 I don't know if you saw this, but the top kicker in this year's draft is a kid out of, I believe, it's Stanford.

00:55:12 Yeah.

00:55:13 And he was supposed to go in like the sixth or seventh.

00:55:16 And the Patriots were at his pro day today.

00:55:19 Our special teams coach was there apparently.

00:55:21 I think Ben Peltzford, is that his name?

00:55:26 Let's go with that.

00:55:28 Yeah.

00:55:29 Had reported that earlier, which I think is-- I think that's interesting.

00:55:34 Especially, like we haven't talked about kicker on here at all.

00:55:37 But obviously, Chad Ryland did not live up to expectations last year.

00:55:41 We haven't heard a single whisper about them being interested in signing a veteran.

00:55:45 Right.

00:55:46 And that, I think, is something we expected.

00:55:48 And I think all the process was right on the Ryland pick.

00:55:52 Fulk was getting old.

00:55:53 He couldn't even reach the end zone on kickoffs.

00:55:55 You want to get younger.

00:55:57 Ryland was the second best kicker in the entire draft prospect-wise.

00:56:01 And a guy they liked, a guy he could kick in cold weather.

00:56:04 Just got the yips.

00:56:06 So--

00:56:07 Didn't work.

00:56:08 Yep.

00:56:09 Ideally, you bring Ryland into camp and have somebody else compete with him for the job.

00:56:12 I'd like the person who competes with him to be a veteran who knows what's going on.

00:56:16 I can certainly see that.

00:56:17 I can certainly see that.

00:56:18 Yeah.

00:56:19 I don't know.

00:56:20 We'll see.

00:56:21 We'll see.

00:56:22 And that's the question, right?

00:56:23 Do you wait and take a guy in the seventh round?

00:56:26 Do you pick up a guy as an undrafted free agent?

00:56:29 Where do you go from there?

00:56:31 So we'll see.

00:56:32 But, like you say, the yips is the perfect way to put it.

00:56:37 He just can't do it.

00:56:38 So--

00:56:39 Yeah.

00:56:40 Ben "Belford" Peltzman.

00:56:41 That's the name of the reporter.

00:56:44 And it was Tom Quinn.

00:56:47 I don't know if they have the pro day yet, but he said Tom Quinn is expected to be in

00:56:51 the tentants for Stanford's pro day.

00:56:53 KKR's name is Joshua Cardy.

00:56:56 OK.

00:56:57 Oh, yeah.

00:56:58 Yeah.

00:56:59 And Quinn's the old-- he's the old Giants guy.

00:57:01 He's the guy that's been in the field.

00:57:02 He's a real veteran.

00:57:03 Yeah.

00:57:04 Yeah.

00:57:05 Yep.

00:57:06 So--

00:57:07 You know, we'll see.

00:57:08 Especially if they accumulate picks, I don't hate it.

00:57:09 And from what I've heard, the league evaluations of this draft say that day three is not very

00:57:16 good.

00:57:17 Like, rounds five and on are going to be really, really bad this year.

00:57:20 If that's how the team views it, and they don't think there's any good prospects there,

00:57:23 and they like a kicker, take the kicker and just see what happens.

00:57:26 Right.

00:57:27 Right.

00:57:28 And so we'll see.

00:57:29 I mean, you know, the jury's still out on what's going to happen, right?

00:57:32 But I do think that, you know, it wouldn't be the worst pick in the world to take a kicker.

00:57:37 So, especially with what the problem we had last year.

00:57:40 It is unfortunately still in need.

00:57:43 Yeah.

00:57:44 So, so look, long story short, here's what we've come down to.

00:57:48 If the guy-- if you believe-- now, listen, the chat is very split.

00:57:53 Some people in the chat love Drake May.

00:57:54 Some people in the chat do not like Drake May at all.

00:57:56 Some people in the chat love Jaden Daniels.

00:57:57 Some people don't like-- this is the way it goes with pretty much everyone, right?

00:58:01 But, like, the Patriots have to figure it out for themselves.

00:58:04 If they believe Jaden Daniels and/or Drake May is going to be a top 10 quarterback in the NFL, you draft him.

00:58:11 Period.

00:58:12 Period.

00:58:13 If you don't, you move the pick.

00:58:16 That's what you have to do.

00:58:18 And so, you know, it just-- it comes down to what your evaluation look like.

00:58:23 And if your evaluation isn't that it, and we-- and we have that, then we go to James.

00:58:30 James just said, "I really hope someone tunes in right now to hear you say 'take a kicker' while the screen says what to do in pick three."

00:58:36 That's so good.

00:58:38 So, so we'll see, you know?

00:58:41 And I just think that that becomes-- that issue for the Patriots is, like, a quarterback is going to be a top 10 guy in the NFL, or you move out and get a massive package.

00:58:51 And if you don't love those quarterbacks, if you don't love those quarterbacks, and, you know, you feel like left tackle is your best shot, you take Joel.

00:59:02 I think they'd probably take Marvin Harrison Jr. if they're not going to-- you know, if they're not going to take a quarterback.

00:59:09 But we'll see what happens.

00:59:11 If Marvin Harrison Jr. is what you think he can be, like, right away, then this receiving core goes from bottom 10 in the league to top 15, potentially, because the other pieces would also complement him really well.

00:59:25 Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

00:59:27 And that's, you know, obviously you got to build up the line.

00:59:29 But I also-- I'll mention this, because I know we talked a lot about the line.

00:59:33 I think the line is in better shape right now than it was at this point last year.

00:59:38 Because, like, you know, Calvin Anderson is the same, Conor McDermott is the same.

00:59:43 You have one tackle spot shored up, and the other one isn't.

00:59:47 And I like the competition there better, because you've got Okorafor, who I think is better than anybody they had in camp, much better than Riley Reif.

00:59:55 And you still have the other two veterans.

00:59:57 And you have, you know, Varian Lowe and Terrence Wheatley, Tyrone Wheatley, that are hanging around the back end of the roster and are big, big old question marks that probably aren't anything but maybe turn into something.

01:00:10 So, like, I think you need to upgrade the tackle spot.

01:00:14 But you could go play an NFL game with the offensive lineman you have right now when they're healthy.

01:00:19 And they also upgraded their interior depth.

01:00:21 They signed the lineman whose name is escaping me here, Nick Leverett from Tampa.

01:00:27 Yes, from Tampa.

01:00:28 Really solid interior backup.

01:00:30 Yep.

01:00:31 So I think they're much better built to sustain injuries now than they were last year.

01:00:36 They've improved their depth significantly, significantly, which is good.

01:00:41 And, again, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to be great or anything like that.

01:00:46 But I like that idea.

01:00:48 And so we'll see.

01:00:51 You know, I don't know what's going to happen.

01:00:54 But I do feel a little bit more comfortable with their offensive line than I did last year.

01:00:59 And I think that they're in a position to kind of do whatever they need to do.

01:01:03 They're not going to win this year pretty much no matter what.

01:01:06 So you want to get the best player possible.

01:01:09 Building a new foundation.

01:01:11 That's what we're doing right now.

01:01:12 Yep.

01:01:13 100%.

01:01:14 So, all right.

01:01:15 Let's get into our final segment.

01:01:16 We okay with that?

01:01:17 Damn, damn.

01:01:18 Are we doing – we're going to do trivia first?

01:01:20 Yeah, let's do the trivia first.

01:01:22 Because you're going to ask a trivia question or are you just going to spin the wheel?

01:01:26 Both.

01:01:27 We got both.

01:01:28 Oh, all right.

01:01:29 Yeah.

01:01:30 Let's do the wheel first.

01:01:31 Yeah, and I'll explain this for anybody that's new in here since we got a bunch of viewers.

01:01:35 At the end of every midweek episode that we do, we ask a trivia question.

01:01:40 And the first person who answers it correctly in the chat gets entered at the end of a period of time into a drawing to win a gift from us.

01:01:49 I believe the last one was a hat from the Pro Shop.

01:01:51 Is that what it was, Pat?

01:01:52 The last one was a hat from the Pro Shop, yep.

01:01:54 Yes.

01:01:55 So some kind of Patriots-related gear.

01:01:57 We'll hash it out, hash out the details with you with whoever ends up winning.

01:02:01 Yep.

01:02:02 So we have collected trivia winners since – I believe this is since the end of the regular season or the biweek or something like that.

01:02:08 I think it was around the biweek, actually.

01:02:10 Yeah.

01:02:11 Yeah.

01:02:12 It's been a while.

01:02:13 So we're going to spin with all the winners there.

01:02:15 And then after that, we are going to be starting our next group of trivia questions here.

01:02:21 So if you'd like to be entered into this, stay tuned for that trivia question and jump on it, throw an answer in the chat, and try to be the first one to get it correct.

01:02:31 Let me set this up.

01:02:34 Give me one sec so we can spin this wheel.

01:02:37 Do it.

01:02:38 [Silence]

01:02:49 Oh, here we go.

01:02:50 And there's a lot of repeated names on here.

01:02:52 Thad Skywalker and Matt Minito have been dominating this, and somebody needs to get in here to beat them.

01:02:58 But here's our wheel spin for this amount of time since the biweek.

01:03:03 Here we go.

01:03:04 Here we go.

01:03:05 We'll get a little drum roll.

01:03:07 No, we don't need a drum roll.

01:03:08 But let's see.

01:03:09 Your dad won.

01:03:10 Oh, get out of here.

01:03:11 He can buy his own damn gift.

01:03:13 [Laughter]

01:03:16 Do we want to do another one?

01:03:17 No, we can't do another one.

01:03:19 This is the one.

01:03:20 What are we going to do?

01:03:21 Okay.

01:03:22 Well, I promise you guys it isn't rigged.

01:03:25 Jesus.

01:03:27 All right.

01:03:28 I'll post the picture on Twitter.

01:03:30 Everyone can see what I bought him.

01:03:32 Listen, I'm going to be using his discount to buy it.

01:03:35 [Laughter]

01:03:39 Oh, goodness, dude.

01:03:41 Matt, you're also Lime Green Elephant.

01:03:43 Jesus Christ.

01:03:44 Ridiculous.

01:03:45 Yeah.

01:03:46 We need you guys to be in it, to be on it for these questions.

01:03:51 Maybe we can -- can we find a way to make sure Thad and Matt are on a stream delay here so they get the question in 10 seconds?

01:03:58 Yeah, get them on the 10-second FCC delay.

01:04:01 But, yeah, all right.

01:04:03 Tonight's question, so we went with a little theme here.

01:04:08 Since today is March 21st, we're using that theme for a jersey number here.

01:04:14 Okay, I like that.

01:04:16 Which Patriot wearing number 21 caught Brady's first three completions to start his game-winning drive in Super Bowl XXXVI?

01:04:27 Looking for a New England offensive player wearing 21 in Super Bowl XXXVI.

01:04:34 Throw those answers in the chat.

01:04:36 Yeah, we'll announce who won this week and to the answer on next week's episode.

01:04:42 Yes.

01:04:43 Make sure you come back for that.

01:04:45 We won't tell you if there's a correct answer in the chat tonight, so you'll have to come back to find out.

01:04:49 That's correct.

01:04:50 That is correct.

01:04:51 So, all right, would you like to – I want to get to – here we go.

01:04:57 Hold on.

01:04:58 It's my favorite segment.

01:04:59 We haven't run the segment in a bit here because I honestly forgot it was Keegan midweek last week.

01:05:04 I had one all set up, and I forgot.

01:05:06 So here we go.

01:05:08 And now for something we think you'll really like, This Week in Sports History.

01:05:14 All right, so I actually have two.

01:05:17 Okay.

01:05:18 So I'll go first with my first, and then we can go from there.

01:05:20 So I don't know.

01:05:23 This is unconfirmed, but it would be completely insane if it's actually true.

01:05:28 In 1953, on this day in 1953, March 21, 1953, there was an NBA record.

01:05:35 Boston played Syracuse in the NBA, and there were 106 fouls and 12 players fouled out.

01:05:46 I almost used that as my fact of the day.

01:05:48 Did you?

01:05:51 That's so insane.

01:05:53 A hundred and – like, what the hell, dude?

01:05:56 I hope there's footage of that game somewhere, I want to say.

01:06:00 I mean, my goodness, dude.

01:06:03 Syracuse Nationals was the team, and I believe that they eventually moved – I think they moved to – did they become Philly?

01:06:14 I think it became the Philadelphia 76ers.

01:06:17 But either way, they were the Syracuse Nationals, and 106 fouls and 12 players fouled out.

01:06:23 What an incredible game.

01:06:24 What an incredible game.

01:06:25 I love that.

01:06:26 I absolutely love that.

01:06:28 Mine is on this day, March 21, 1994, Wayne Gretzky tied Gordie Howe's NHL record of 801 goals.

01:06:40 Oh, that's a good one.

01:06:42 Listen, let me tell you something about Wayne Gretzky.

01:06:44 Wayne Gretzky – we talk about goats on here, right?

01:06:46 Obviously, Brady's the goat in football, we believe at least.

01:06:50 Wayne Gretzky is the undeniable goat.

01:06:52 Like, he's the one – that's the one league where I'm like, there is no argument.

01:06:56 There's no argument.

01:06:57 The argument doesn't exist in the NHL.

01:06:59 They retired his number everywhere.

01:07:01 Yes, but it's not just that.

01:07:03 It's the fact that my favorite stat, maybe in all of sports, is the fact that if you took away all of Wayne Gretzky's goals,

01:07:10 every single one of the goals he ever scored, ever, he would still lead the NHL in career points.

01:07:20 He has more assists than the rest of the NHL history has assists plus goals.

01:07:26 It's insane. It's completely insane.

01:07:29 And so that's the one for me where I'm like, okay, that's it.

01:07:31 Like, he's the best. There's nothing you can do about it.

01:07:33 Yeah, that's pretty good.

01:07:35 So anyways, that's a good one.

01:07:37 My second one is from 1958.

01:07:41 It is March Madness related.

01:07:43 The 20th NCAA Men's Basketball Championship, Kentucky beat Seattle 84-72.

01:07:52 And in the losing effort, Seattle's future Hall of Fame small forward Elgin Baylor is named the tournament's most outstanding player.

01:08:05 There we go.

01:08:06 There you go.

01:08:07 I love it.

01:08:09 Matt Manito in the chat also says, "Please more uniform number questions."

01:08:13 We didn't talk about in here.

01:08:15 We got some new uniform numbers.

01:08:17 Jalen Raker switching to number one tomorrow.

01:08:19 Switching to number three.

01:08:21 And KJ Osborne in two.

01:08:23 So one, two, three, and 84 are your top percenters.

01:08:27 I like it.

01:08:28 It's a little wild, but I do like it.

01:08:30 I like the idea of pop being a three.

01:08:32 I think it makes a lot of sense.

01:08:33 It works for him.

01:08:34 I wish he was 83.

01:08:35 I want him to be the new Deion Branch.

01:08:37 He kind of was the new Deion Branch, wasn't he?

01:08:40 But okay.

01:08:43 That's what we got.

01:08:44 Here we go.

01:08:45 James Kirkham.

01:08:47 1984, the owners of the NFL outlawed any prolonged, excessive premeditated celebration by individual players or groups of players.

01:08:57 That was just an absolute, just such an infamous rule.

01:09:03 And he's right.

01:09:04 They sought to break what, 1965 when Homer Jones baked the football for the first time.

01:09:09 So yeah.

01:09:12 So there you go.

01:09:13 Dumb.

01:09:14 Dumb.

01:09:15 I'm glad that we have celebrations again.

01:09:16 That's part of the fun of the celebration.

01:09:17 When did they get rid of it?

01:09:18 They got rid of the team celebration too?

01:09:20 It's just like, just let them have fun for Christ's sake.

01:09:23 What are we doing?

01:09:25 And also, this is entertainment, and people doing controversial things on the field is fun.

01:09:31 Like that's giving you something dumb to get angry about is like half the enjoyment of watching sports.

01:09:38 Why do you care?

01:09:40 Why do you care?

01:09:41 You shouldn't care.

01:09:42 Why do you care?

01:09:43 Oh, we got a Matt St. James, the GOAT.

01:09:45 That's my old college friend there.

01:09:48 Shout out to him.

01:09:49 I love it.

01:09:50 I love it.

01:09:51 So, all right.

01:09:52 Well, that's what we got.

01:09:53 So thank you, everyone.

01:09:54 We appreciate you all for being here.

01:09:56 Enjoy.

01:09:57 There are zero good games going on right now.

01:10:00 Although, Texas Tech-NC State looks like a pretty good game.

01:10:03 NC State winning that one.

01:10:05 St. Peter's getting blown up by Tennessee.

01:10:07 Washington State-Drake is interesting too.

01:10:09 Both of those are about to hit half.

01:10:11 So I think I'll put those.

01:10:12 You know what I did?

01:10:13 I don't have YouTube TV, but I pulled a pro move today, and I signed up for the free trial of YouTube TV.

01:10:18 Smart, smart.

01:10:20 For five days for the weekend, and I get the multi-view.

01:10:23 I just thought Sanford -- I'm disappointed in this game because I thought Sanford was going to run it up and down the court nonstop, and they just haven't done that at all.

01:10:33 McNeese State and Sanford were way too trendy as upset picks.

01:10:37 I stayed away from them.

01:10:39 I wasn't having it.

01:10:40 Yeah, I'm a sucker, and so I picked both those guys to win.

01:10:44 But you know what it is.

01:10:45 So it's fine.

01:10:46 Don't worry about it.

01:10:47 It's fine.

01:10:48 Yeah.

01:10:49 Yep.

01:10:50 So, yeah.

01:10:51 All right.

01:10:52 Thanks, everyone, for coming through.

01:10:53 We appreciate you guys.

01:10:54 We'll be back on Monday night with another mock draft.

01:10:58 This time we'll be breaking down my mock draft 3.0.

01:11:02 3.0.

01:11:03 3.0 for you.

01:11:04 I'm curious where you go with this one.

01:11:05 I'm excited.

01:11:06 And make sure, for anybody that's listening in, if you want your mock featured on Monday for us to look at it, send it in to us.

01:11:13 Yes.

01:11:14 And we're not going to -- no promises we get to every one, but we're going to try to get it to as many as we can.

01:11:18 Yep.

01:11:19 So DM me or Matt on Twitter, or you can send us an e-mail.

01:11:24 It's patsnationnetwork@gmail.com.

01:11:27 It's all one word, patsnationnetwork@gmail.com.

01:11:31 Send them in to me -- send them in to us, and then we will get to as many as we possibly can on Monday night's show.

01:11:38 So, again, thank you very much.

01:11:40 We appreciate you guys, and we'll talk to you on Monday night.

01:11:44 Enjoy the weekend with all of the ridiculous amount of games this weekend.

01:11:48 Good luck with your brackets.

01:11:49 Yeah, mine's already busted, I'm sure, but that's the way it goes, you know.

01:11:52 So, all right, guys.

01:11:53 See you.

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