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00:00In 1992, at the home of a family from the Madrid neighborhood of Vallecas,
00:05the tragedy of the mysterious death of Estefania Gutiérrez,
00:08at only 18 years of age, turns into sudden terror.
00:12A call to the local police makes the agents shake
00:15and find a family in a state of panic.
00:18What was it that terrified the Gutiérrez-Lazaro family?
00:21I was with my friends and classmates.
00:25They made a mess.
00:27Since then, they did many very strange things.
00:33They start playing with these kinds of questions
00:35in a way, from my point of view, totally fateful.
00:38And what starts as a game, ends as a delirium.
00:43During these extreme situations,
00:45there is a possibility of being able to die directly from fear.
00:49Cemeteries that hold hidden stories.
00:52Abandoned villages with dark curses.
00:54Old sanatoriums where disturbed patients were accommodated
00:57by inexplicable evils.
00:59They are places where certain energies are stored.
01:02Unknown forces that give them an overwhelming appearance.
01:05What is it that can generate this singular phenomenon?
01:08Is it possible to open a door between the present and that dark past?
01:13There are places that have been able to remain entities
01:17that do not like and do not want the human being to go.
01:22There was no woman there.
01:24And there was absolutely nothing there.
01:26It was something that really made my blood boil.
01:31The person who does a satanic ritual
01:34already has a psychological predisposition at that moment
01:38to do evil.
01:42Since time immemorial,
01:44men have believed to communicate with spirits.
01:46Sorcerers of all cultures
01:49performed all kinds of ceremonies
01:51to contact various entities from beyond.
01:54All this is not an ancestral practice.
01:56Today there are still mediums
01:58who assure to talk to beings who live in the other world.
02:01Is it all nonsense or does someone really answer us from the other side?
02:05Spiritism is giving you the opportunity
02:08to live waiting to meet those who left before.
02:13On our side there was one of the mediums
02:15and at a given moment there was a spirit
02:18so violent that he lifted her from the chair,
02:21he flogged her.
02:24Those supposed entities would live in other dimensions of space-time.
02:37It is not common for the police to witness paranormal phenomena
02:41and even less to leave evidence of them in an official report.
02:45It is not frequent, but it happens,
02:47at least on the night of October 27, 1992.
02:51It was two and a half in the morning
02:53when the agents received through the transmitter of their patrol car
02:56a desperate call for help.
02:58And it is that inside a humble home in the Madrid neighborhood of Vallecas
03:01disconcerting phenomena were taking place
03:04that kept the inhabitants of the building terrified.
03:07The phenomena witnessed by the local police in this Madrid home
03:11would be just the tip of an iceberg that would culminate months later
03:14with the mysterious death of the young Estefania Gutiérrez Lázaro.
03:18Why did she die?
03:19Does it have anything to do with what happened after interrupting a Ouija session?
03:23Is it possible to die of fear?
03:32This hypothesis is currently supported by some researchers.
03:36Now, what could terrify this 18-year-old young woman?
03:40Was it the vision of some supposed spirit?
03:43Now, when 20 years of those terrible events are fulfilled,
03:47we reopen the case Vallecas to try to explain a death
03:50that never had to happen.
03:52In this house on Luis Marín Street, located in the Vallecas neighborhood,
03:56Estefania Gutiérrez Lázaro died two decades ago
03:59in the midst of spasms and convulsions of what,
04:02apparently, was an epileptic attack.
04:05However, the forensic doctor determined that the young woman
04:08had died of a cardiorespiratory arrest.
04:10But how did it all start?
04:18It started at school.
04:21I was with my friends from class.
04:25As children, they did the Ouija.
04:28They were doing it with the glass.
04:30They were doing it well.
04:32In the glass, smoke came in.
04:36When the teacher came in to see what they were doing,
04:41it turned out that she broke the board.
04:44And in the glass, when she broke the board,
04:47the smoke from the glass got into my daughter.
04:56Since then, she did a lot of very strange things.
05:03Playing with these spiritual questions
05:05can really cause profound psychological changes.
05:08But there is another factor to consider,
05:10and that is that many of the people
05:12who also like this kind of games
05:14have prior personalities, let's say,
05:17proclivities for this kind of factors to occur.
05:20Elements like Ouija or psychophony
05:23are nothing more than phenomena
05:25where we are projecting our own fears
05:28or our own anxieties.
05:30Anxiety processes and fear processes
05:32of the person who projects their personal problems
05:35on this game.
05:37If this explosive cocktail is put together
05:40between paranormal sciences,
05:42a predisposed personality to it,
05:45and also a few drops of some disease
05:48that is prior to some kind of psychosis, for example,
05:52that could trigger all this,
05:54the dish is really served.
05:56The reality that through this process
05:59a psychological problem was created,
06:03is almost impossible.
06:05It is much more possible
06:07that this was the loss of control
06:09of a previous problem that already existed within it.
06:12They start playing with this kind of questions
06:14in a way, from my point of view,
06:16totally fateful.
06:18And what starts as a game
06:20ends up as a delirium.
06:22From that experience,
06:24the young woman began to suffer
06:26some mysterious convulsions,
06:28and then claimed to see some sinister figures
06:31calling her by her name.
06:33These mysterious shadows first terrified the young woman,
06:36and then the rest of the Gutiérrez-Lázaro family.
06:41I was going to work,
06:43and I did the same thing on the bus,
06:45I did it on the subway, wherever I went.
06:47I started...
06:49And then I spoke some very strange things.
06:53It starts to stay as if it were something,
06:56and it doesn't respond to anything,
06:58it doesn't notice anything.
07:00When I gave it to her,
07:02it stayed, it didn't move,
07:04it didn't react,
07:06it didn't know what it was doing or what it was saying.
07:08It says that there were people who called her.
07:10There were people inside, white,
07:12dressed in white, and they called her.
07:14I asked her once,
07:16and she told me that she had seen people
07:18in a round dress,
07:20holding hands, calling her.
07:22My wife took her to different hospitals
07:25to see what she had,
07:27and everyone told her that she had nothing,
07:29that they didn't know why she had that.
07:31I took her to the hospital once,
07:33and the doctor told me that she had nothing,
07:35that she was perfectly fine.
07:37The situation didn't get any better,
07:39and so, on August 14, 1991,
07:41an agonizing Estefania
07:43died of a cardiorespiratory arrest.
07:45She got very bad, very bad, very bad.
07:47She was spitting like foam
07:49through her mouth,
07:51and she only knew how to
07:53hold her hand to her head.
07:55She wanted to throw herself
07:57as if she were a rabbi's dog.
07:59It was an emergency,
08:01and she died in two and a half hours.
08:03The calvary of months of suffering
08:05and incomprehension of the family
08:07was coming to an end,
08:09or at least, that's what they thought.
08:11At this point,
08:13and in light of the events
08:15that surrounded the death of the young woman,
08:17it is possible that, finally,
08:19Estefania Guterres Lázaro
08:21was not the only one
08:23who suffered from these strange, violent phenomena.
08:25Without a doubt,
08:27it is possible to die of fear.
08:29Fear is nothing but an alert
08:31to an imminent danger,
08:33that a person sees something terrifying.
08:35It is possible that delirium is imaginary,
08:37but the fear that this delirium
08:39produces is totally real,
08:41to such an extent
08:43that all its neurological mechanisms
08:45are accelerated in such a way
08:47and to such an extreme
08:49that the possibility of dying
08:51from a heart attack
08:53five times more
08:55than in a normal situation
08:57is directly seen.
08:59At a given moment,
09:01one can fall into the irrational belief
09:03that what we have lived,
09:05what we have seen,
09:07is totally true and comes from another world.
09:09So, evidently, the next step
09:11is to believe to be threatened
09:13by something that is out of control.
09:15From the death of Estefania,
09:17the phenomena in the interior
09:19of the house became worse.
09:21Especially in the room
09:23in which the young deceased
09:25suffered in silence the harassment
09:27of an invisible entity,
09:29a visitor to whom no one had invited.
09:31Estefania dies and
09:33strange things begin to feel.
09:35We had a dog,
09:37a caniche,
09:39he picked her up and flew out
09:41through the corridor.
09:43We saw figures behind us
09:45and I went to the big room
09:47and I saw smoke
09:49moving in the curtains.
09:51One day,
09:53my wife says,
09:55the door opens.
09:57She says, come on, it's going to open.
09:59She put a marble table,
10:01and the door opened a little.
10:03And we didn't know why.
10:05It was then when three agents
10:07of the National Police,
10:09accompanied by Chief Inspector
10:11José Pedro Negri,
10:13arrived.
10:15The first journalist to interview
10:17the family was our colleague
10:19Frank Contreras.
10:21When the police come here,
10:23Inspector José Pedro Negri
10:25is in a terrible situation,
10:27a nightmare.
10:29First they meet a priest
10:31going down the stairs,
10:33terrified,
10:35and they access the house
10:37because the Gutiérrez-Lazaro family
10:39had previously called them
10:41and they were caressed, touched
10:43by invisible hands, by something
10:45that you can't see.
10:47My wife didn't complain.
10:49Someone has the feet.
10:51I get up and I don't see anything.
10:53Spectral figures
10:55that go through the corridors,
10:57that the objects seem to charge
10:59their own life.
11:01I am a person who is not afraid of anything.
11:03But now I caught it.
11:05On the Day of the Saints,
11:07my wife got up and went to the living room.
11:09It's not here.
11:11It was on the floor.
11:13I had it in front of me,
11:15lying on the floor,
11:17it was made of sun tape
11:19and it didn't burn.
11:21In the photo, yes.
11:23It had a frame and it didn't burn.
11:25It didn't burn more than in the photo.
11:27No glass, no painting, nothing.
11:29Once inside, the police start
11:31to look around the house
11:33to see what is happening
11:35and they are participants
11:37They start to look around
11:39and stay down.
11:41We are one night in the corridor
11:43and they start to look around
11:45and then they stay down.
11:47In a poster that is in one of the rooms
11:49three spiders appear
11:51as if a claw broke the poster.
11:53The police were with my husband
11:55in the big room.
11:57We were sitting
11:59and we felt as if they had thrown a stone,
12:01as if they had rolled a stone over the terrace.
12:03The police came out
12:05and there was nothing, nothing.
12:07And on a table,
12:09they start to materialize
12:11what the police later in the report
12:13subscribe that they are like babas.
12:15A police officer said
12:17that he would not return to that apartment
12:19no matter how much it happened to us.
12:21That's what the police start to see
12:23and what the police start to live.
12:25Because we are talking about the first file
12:27in which several members of the State Security
12:29confirm without doubts
12:31that they have witnessed
12:33a murder case.
12:35That's what they said.
12:37At 10.40 p.m.
12:39through channel 7 of H-50
12:41calls Z2 and states that
12:43once he has interviewed with the family
12:45and has observed the interior of the house
12:47according to the report,
12:49he has been stabbed.
12:51And the most disconcerting thing
12:53when they are all in the room
12:55one of the doors of the closets
12:57begins to open and close alone
12:59and one of the agents
13:01says something that is causing that.
13:03The door of the bar furniture opens
13:05and with such a scare that the police got in
13:07he was going to take out the gun
13:09to shoot the furniture.
13:11The woman said to him,
13:13be careful, there was no door to the bar furniture.
13:15Alone.
13:17The police took the gun
13:19to shoot against the furniture.
13:21And the police went out and said
13:23that it hurts the world here,
13:25I will not enter this floor anymore.
13:27What or who was behind the phenomena
13:29his own deceased daughter?
13:31If we study this possibility,
13:33we should ask ourselves
13:35why then they manifested in such a violent way.
13:37Well, if we had to examine
13:39in a pure, hard and cold way
13:41the case of Estefania de Vallecas
13:43perhaps we could conclude
13:45that it was a girl who had a psychosis
13:47and began to have delusions.
13:49The parents are involved in the same dynamic
13:51and in the end they all end up
13:53somehow unbalanced.
13:55I do not know what it is
13:57what happened to us
13:59we thought it was my daughter.
14:01What happened 21 years ago
14:03I have no idea.
14:05Maybe Paraguay
14:07because of the smoke was swallowed.
14:09After death, someone says
14:11that my daughter was going to die.
14:13She was so desperate
14:15that I did not know what to do.
14:17I did not know.
14:19All those who had gone through there
14:21the only thing they had achieved
14:23had been to worsen the state of the family
14:25because they had created
14:27many more doubts
14:29of what was happening there.
14:31We could not contrast
14:33absolutely no phenomenon at the time.
14:35The only thing we could see
14:37was the external influence
14:39that had completely altered
14:41the possibility of drawing
14:43a real conclusion of that phenomenon.
14:45Because what is clear is that
14:47when we were there, there was nothing.
14:49That mind often has a tendency
14:51to try to connect with those beyond.
14:53It is believed that it is the owner
14:55of supernatural powers.
14:57Therefore, it enters a dynamic
14:59in which they try to delve
15:01into their own psyche.
15:03In the end, whoever searches, finds.
15:05But often what he finds
15:07is not especially beneficial.
15:09Whatever the reason,
15:11the mysterious Poltergeist phenomena,
15:13although with less intensity
15:15than at the beginning,
15:17continued in the home
15:19of the Gutiérrez Lázaro family
15:21until they could sell the house
15:23and change homes.
15:25And so far, at least in appearance,
15:27this story has come.
15:29And it is that we are not aware
15:31of the danger that these supposed
15:33methods of contact have
15:35until events like this one occur.
15:37Today, the Gutiérrez Lázaro family
15:39rests quietly after more than
15:41two decades of torment.
15:43Only for cases like this
15:45it is worth being attentive.
15:47Because regardless of what
15:49happens, what is true is that
15:51if we call the right door,
15:53sometimes it opens.
16:07Old hospitals.
16:09Old prevention centers.
16:11Abandoned villages.
16:13These are some of the scenarios
16:15where parapsychologists
16:17try to prove the existence
16:19of ghosts, spirits,
16:21or souls in pain,
16:23wandering among their gloomy corridors.
16:25And it is that many of these enclosures
16:27are covered with Dantean scenes,
16:29of abuse and deaths in a not so distant past,
16:31whose echoes,
16:33on countless occasions,
16:35resonate in the present.
16:37During these months we have traveled
16:39to places that seem marked
16:41by the hand of something negative.
16:43Enclosures of great beauty.
16:45These places take their corners,
16:47remembering that events have occurred here
16:49that sound like a warning,
16:51because profaning their silence
16:53is synonymous, sometimes,
16:55with facing the worst of horrors.
16:57In places like Ochate,
16:59in the county of Treviño,
17:01strange disappearances have occurred.
17:03Mysterious lights have manifested
17:05in the skies, and sinister
17:07psychophonies have been recorded,
17:09which still today lie among the
17:11ruinous walls of the tower of this church.
17:13There were three epidemics
17:15in the 19th century that affected
17:17only the town of Ochate,
17:19without affecting the surrounding towns,
17:21and that practically ended
17:23the lives of all the inhabitants.
17:25And that is precisely where
17:27the legend begins,
17:29that we are in a cursed town,
17:31dangerous to live in.
17:33Precisely here, where we are,
17:35in the Burgondo hermitage,
17:37there are many people who say
17:39that they have seen a lady in black
17:41and there are testimonies that
17:43they clearly see that woman
17:45with those black robes.
17:47And then, going to the town of Ochate,
17:49there are always testimonies
17:51related to heartbeats,
17:53with strange sounds.
17:55Miguel Galerón, who made
17:57the first psychophony,
17:59arrived at the tower, put the
18:01microphone on the floor,
18:03and there he picked up
18:05the famous word,
18:07the girl, saying,
18:10There was a moment
18:12when we began to hear footsteps
18:14that someone was approaching.
18:16We saw that they were a little
18:18very tall,
18:20they had a lot of height,
18:22in the dark of the night,
18:24some lighter stripes were seen
18:26at the height of the chest, abdomen,
18:28and when I turned on the lights
18:30of the car, I did not see anything.
18:33These and other phenomena
18:35have caused a dense mantle of silence
18:37to fall, a kind of curse
18:39that we find, as we have seen
18:41in previous chapters,
18:43in other places in our country,
18:45such as the Tarraconan Musara.
18:47Because satanic rituals have been
18:49performed here.
18:51Unusual disappearances of people
18:53as normal as any of you
18:55or us have occurred.
18:57Even the witnesses claim to have
18:59observed, in the middle of the night,
19:01how strange shadows
19:03passed through the old cemetery
19:05and approached those
19:07who were there.
19:27It is difficult to describe
19:29what goes through the head
19:31when the effigy of an abandoned building
19:33is seen. An enclave that has previously
19:35harassed the frightened witnesses.
19:37Because in them, and only in them,
19:39have triggered
19:41facts of difficult explanation.
19:43No matter how cold we want to keep our minds,
19:45no matter how skeptical we want to be,
19:47these enclaves treasure
19:49a story of calamities and joys,
19:51of laughter and tears,
19:53of tragedy and darkness,
19:55that invites us to think that in them
19:57anything is possible.
19:59Something that manifests itself among the shadows
20:01when we are there.
20:03Something that the witnesses refer to as real.
20:05And it is that the crunch
20:07of the wood when it breaks,
20:09the look that observes us but that we are not
20:11able to see, overcomes,
20:13breaks our ability to reason
20:15and the ghost of suggestion blooms.
20:17Although it is not bad,
20:19many researchers know that fear
20:21is a great booster of the
20:23energies stored in the place.
20:25But how to detect them?
20:27How to investigate a place when it is
20:29a cursed place?
20:31All of us
20:33seem to emit
20:35a psychic energy
20:37that we use to impregnate
20:39our surroundings.
20:41That would be the theory of impregnation,
20:43which tells us that
20:45precisely when in a place
20:47there have been dramatic,
20:49violent events,
20:51that impregnation,
20:53that energy that we emit
20:55is much stronger.
20:57There are places
20:59that have been impregnated
21:01by events
21:03or events
21:05that we can call negative.
21:07If I go to a place where
21:09an event has occurred,
21:11I see who was there,
21:13how that event has lived,
21:15what has happened.
21:17This abandoned town where we are now,
21:19with the arrival of the afternoon,
21:21is losing its innocence,
21:23covered with ruin and moss,
21:25a stone capable of keeping
21:27memories of the past.
21:29It transforms, mutates into a ghostly environment.
21:31Juan, when you decide
21:33to carry out an investigation,
21:35what characteristics should a place have?
21:37We look for places that have had
21:39tragic events.
21:41We use the theory of impregnation a lot.
21:43What we do with our experiments
21:45is to try to obtain that supposed energy
21:47that is impregnated in the place
21:49to have different phenomena
21:51and be able to register them
21:53in different devices.
21:55And this town where we are now,
21:57would it have those characteristics?
21:59Of course it would.
22:01It is a town that has been marked
22:03by different battles,
22:05different wars,
22:07different deaths
22:09and different shootings
22:11throughout this area.
22:13Well, the shadows are falling,
22:15the place is becoming more sinister.
22:17If you agree,
22:19let's start the investigation.
22:21It is a tradition that,
22:23in the most remote past,
22:25it was precisely in the noise
22:27of the night wind
22:29where the inhabitants of the darkness
22:31were hiding.
22:33Those same people who today,
22:35perhaps with other names
22:37and interpretations,
22:39try to dodge the gaze
22:41of the experimenters.
22:43Those same people who give a place
22:45a cursed patina
22:47impossible to erase.
22:49There is a paranormal phenomenology
22:51in the present.
22:53Then we would be talking
22:55about a enchanted place
22:57when, in addition,
22:59phenomena continue to occur in the present.
23:01There are places inhabited
23:03by entities
23:05that do not like
23:07and do not want
23:09the human being to go.
23:11There can be a series of phenomena
23:13that can be a poltergeist,
23:15it can be a haunted house
23:17or whatever it is in those people.
23:19Phenomena can be
23:21strange sounds,
23:23presence, for example,
23:25of white shadows,
23:27voices,
23:29people who hear voices,
23:31people who are talking
23:33and yet you do not see
23:35absolutely nothing.
23:37Juan, in your years of research
23:39of these strange phenomena,
23:41I imagine that you have gone through
23:43almost everything.
23:45It turns out that on Friday
23:47the colleagues saw
23:49an anthropomorphic form
23:51as it crossed a wall.
23:53That same form, at the same time,
23:55I saw it the next day
23:57as it came out of the wall
23:59and went to one of the consultations.
24:01It was something that really
24:03gave me the blood.
24:05For me, if we try
24:07to talk about something,
24:09it was a ghostly appearance.
24:11Juan, what are you doing now?
24:13Well, now we are doing
24:15a round of questions
24:17related to psychophonic experimentation
24:19to see if we capture any record
24:21of those voices without a face.
24:23And when these phenomena arise,
24:25how do you rule out that it is
24:27something purely natural
24:29or that we are really
24:31in front of a paranormal phenomenon?
24:33There are two sides,
24:35to do it with a closed circuit
24:37or to do it with an open microphone
24:39as we are doing now,
24:41which are natural phenomena
24:43with unknown sounds.
24:45And I understand that when
24:47these types of experiments
24:49are carried out,
24:51you also have a whole perimeter
24:53of security.
24:55Of course, apart from having
24:57light detectors,
24:59we have infrared detectors
25:01and we even have a presence detector
25:03that takes pictures.
25:05And it is that in enclaves like this,
25:07at nights like this,
25:09the elders assure that the sick
25:11were locked up before dying,
25:13since the facilities were not enough.
25:15And here this photograph was captured
25:17when a team of investigators
25:19was in the place,
25:21a place where some doors
25:23were closed and opened alone.
25:27Even a member of the special forces,
25:29while he was carrying out
25:31combat tactics with his companions
25:33in the place, was forced to
25:35disarm his regulatory weapon
25:37and fire several shots
25:39at the sight of a strange white being
25:41that appeared at the end of the corridor.
25:43Why something remains
25:45has been to these enclaves.
25:47Something that does not disappear
25:49over the centuries.
25:51Something that suddenly serves
25:53as a spring to manifest
25:55with unusual virulence.
25:57Pablo, in places like this,
25:59experts talk about a concept,
26:01the impregnation.
26:03In short, it would be something
26:05that we do not know.
26:07What kind of phenomenon
26:09does it cause us?
26:11From the movement of objects,
26:13luminaries, mimeophonies,
26:15paraphonies ...
26:17It is a wide catalog of phenomenology
26:19for which we are,
26:21to study it and try to reach
26:23a conclusion.
26:25We have to see how the environment changes,
26:27according to the shadows.
26:29Well, the truth is that yes,
26:31it seems that in any corner of the town
26:33there are objects that we can say
26:35that are of satanic cut,
26:37that perform rituals.
26:39And you have registered cases
26:41in which not only this has happened,
26:43but also later strange phenomena
26:45have occurred.
26:47We can talk about the Marmellar population.
26:49We are talking about a satanic ritual
26:51or black magic that was performed
26:53with a person who killed a woman
26:55of about 20 or 30 years old
26:57who is still unrecognized.
26:59Those who do satanic rituals
27:01have access to communication
27:03with the devil
27:05or with all those
27:07magical forces
27:09to obtain an end.
27:11The person who does a satanic ritual
27:13already has a psychological predisposition
27:15to do evil.
27:17At the time of performing that ritual,
27:19maybe they can open a door.
27:21That door,
27:23once the ritual is over,
27:25closes and what remains there
27:27is that evil as a residue.
27:29The investigation requires
27:31sophisticated devices, infrared cameras,
27:33presence detectors,
27:35sound recorders,
27:37computers for analysis
27:39at the time of what is captured.
27:41This is the only way to try to know
27:43what causes these phenomena.
27:45You have managed to capture psychophonies
27:47in this place, right?
27:49Yes, the truth is that it was something
27:51quite curious because we captured
27:53a sound like a folk music
27:55and we were not actually
27:57hearing absolutely nothing.
27:59It was recorded in the recorder.
28:01When you capture this type of recordings,
28:03in your opinion, what is it?
28:05Until the opposite is shown,
28:07they are paranormal sounds.
28:09Sometimes those voices,
28:11not only are they intelligent,
28:13but also respond to contents
28:15that the experimenter himself asks them.
28:17Can we talk about the beyond?
28:19We could talk about the beyond, why not?
28:21When they answer questions intelligently
28:23and when direct voices are maintained
28:25that is to say, someone you do not see
28:27and someone you do not know where they come from.
28:29And it is that, in the face of the obvious question
28:31of where these voices come from,
28:33the answers that have been obtained
28:35over the years have been varied.
28:37THE BEYOND
28:53It does not matter at this moment
28:55whether or not there is life beyond death
28:57because we face our own fears.
28:59It is what invites us
29:01to a place like this,
29:03to overcome terror,
29:05to overcome the fear of our own hearts,
29:07and to continue our endeavors
29:09so that after these hard.
29:11interventions,
29:13this boldness has proved very expensive.
29:15And it is that if there have been others before
29:17that they claim to have passed
29:19a nightmare dawn,
29:21who knows,
29:23maybe tonight.
29:25A few weeks ago, the local police of Jaén received a complaint from an employee of the cleaning of the town hall,
29:31where he reported about the presence of a transparent silhouette,
29:34dressed in a communion suit, walking through the corridors of the consistory.
29:38Was it a ghost?
29:40Are contacts with supposed disembodied entities possible?
29:44When a luctuous event occurs, the vast majority of us wonder,
29:47although it may seem ridiculous, if there is a possibility of contacting those who have already left.
29:52Well, for a well-fed group of experts, this possibility is not only real, but it has already occurred.
29:58In the next few minutes we will try to elucidate whether this option is feasible or not.
30:03The belief in spirits comes from ancient times,
30:06but it reaches its peak in the middle of the 19th century,
30:09when in a modest house in Hydesville, in the state of New York,
30:12three sisters claimed to have come into contact with the spirit of a drunkard murdered some time ago.
30:18In Hydesville, a series of movements, of phenomena, begin to exist,
30:23that the spirits want to manifest precisely to awaken society of that time.
30:29And it is when they begin to manifest through the movement of tables,
30:34through the psychography already in that time.
30:37The first thing that is sought is that communication with the other side returns intelligent messages.
30:42For this they devise very simple techniques, such as, for example, the simple blows,
30:45the famous rap, that allow to answer yes or no to the answers of a person who was in the room.
30:50The media began to wake up in the United States,
30:53and then they went to Europe to demonstrate to society the great phenomenon of spiritism,
31:00which at that time began to roll in an important way.
31:04At the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th,
31:07spiritism attracted the attention of the bourgeois classes,
31:09who ultimately took it as a game,
31:12but also of the scientific community that wanted to elucidate
31:15what was behind these supposed paranormal manifestations.
31:18A religion had been born, but also a way of contacting the beyond.
31:22We move on to more sophisticated techniques, such as, for example,
31:25the recitation of the letters of the alphabet, one by one,
31:29and the spirit was asked to hit the floor with the legs of the table
31:32when it reached the letter it wanted to communicate.
31:34We then move on to psychography, which consisted of drawing texts with the hand of the medium
31:39through a pen and a tablet that was inserted into that pen,
31:42and from there we move on to the Ouija board.
31:44Spiritism is a consoling doctrine, because it tells us that life goes on,
31:49that those we have lost, those loved ones who have lived with us,
31:53are waiting for us on the other side of life.
31:56In these mediumship sessions, the appearance of objects floating in space,
32:01mysterious lights, sounds whose origin was unknown,
32:04even melodies, materializations of spirits and ectoplasms,
32:08which were a series of mysterious fluids, a kind of protoplasm,
32:11that came out of the natural holes of the human body,
32:14or also from the fingertips, and that in some cases
32:16was studied and chemically analyzed.
32:18Spiritism is giving you the opportunity to live,
32:21waiting to meet those who left before.
32:27A soft melody leads the medium into a trance state.
32:31Arised in a chair of straight back,
32:34the channeler remains with his eyes closed,
32:37oblivious to everything that surrounds him,
32:39eager to lend his body to an entity
32:42that uses it to communicate a message from beyond.
32:45He slowly disconnects from reality,
32:47before the expectant gaze of those around him.
32:50The light in the room has dimmed, and everyone is silent.
32:54Suddenly, a spasm becomes evident in the medium's body,
32:58and the entity announces that it is already here.
33:01A well-developed medium experiences a feeling of peace,
33:06serenity, joy.
33:09At no time is he afraid.
33:12You have to know the vibration of the spirits,
33:15and by knowing what kind of vibration is coming,
33:18you know which spirit is going to manifest.
33:21Many people who seek comfort,
33:23want to know about their loved ones,
33:25but their loved ones manifest when they are allowed to do so,
33:30when they have the conditions,
33:32not when we want this to happen.
33:34You come to the association or to the center,
33:36we make a prayer asking for help from the spirits,
33:39protectors of the medium's work,
33:41and then there is a silence
33:44in which each medium contacts the spirits.
33:48The continuity of life is showing us,
33:51through the instrumental trance communication,
33:54what the spiritual world has been telling us for so many years,
33:57that we are seeing those who have left for the other side of life.
34:01A colleague of ours, who was already very old, died.
34:04So I went to her house to say goodbye,
34:07and I gave her a photograph of a son of hers who had died a long time before.
34:11You have to go out and look for your mother,
34:13because if you don't do it, you and I will talk.
34:16A few days later, we were introduced to the son,
34:19and very calmly he looked at us and said,
34:22We don't have to talk anymore.
34:24We are not at the disposal of the spirits.
34:27They are the ones who communicate with the mediums, with the sensitive ones.
34:30One day we were at the medium's work,
34:33and next to us was one of the mediums,
34:35and at a certain moment a spirit appeared,
34:37so violent that it lifted her from the chair,
34:40it flogged her,
34:42she had to be held because otherwise it would have thrown her to the ground,
34:45and it seems that it was an old boyfriend from the past.
34:49Unfortunately, a large part of those phenomena
34:51that disconcerted science throughout the 19th century
34:54turned out to be burdos fraudes,
34:56and the vast majority of scientists ended up rejecting them.
34:59The vast majority, but not all.
35:02It is the case of the materialization of a supposed ectoplasm
35:05in an experimental session carried out in Barcelona in the 80s
35:09by the group Hipergea.
35:11For the first time in history, a group of doctors and chemists
35:14managed to analyze 13 centimeters of the mysterious substance,
35:17which is supposed to make up the ghost's body.
35:20The study of this fluid leaves no doubt.
35:23The analyzes showed that it was composed of glucose,
35:26minoglucose, saliva and human tissue.
35:29Its weight, interestingly,
35:31is the same that the medium lost during the trance, 87 grams.
35:35But it is not the only time that the mediums,
35:37and what they generate,
35:39have been scientifically studied in our country.
35:41In the EPTA group we were curious to see
35:44if, during a trance,
35:46the physical constants of a medium were altered.
35:50And that is why we met with the brother Francisco,
35:53a recognized medium,
35:55in June 1996
35:58to be able to check the glucose in the blood,
36:01if the heart rate,
36:03the arterial tension,
36:05and the measurement of the magnetic fields were altered.
36:07And we could only emphasize
36:09that the basal temperature rose one degree during the experiment.
36:13The truth is that the results were not as spectacular
36:16as we had thought.
36:18In recent decades,
36:20in an attempt to rule out any physical explanation
36:23regarding these strange phenomena,
36:25researchers have made a collection of the latest technology
36:28to try to contact this supposed beyond.
36:31Although in the case of psychophony,
36:33as it could not be otherwise,
36:35its discovery was casual.
36:37It happened in 1959 in El Campo,
36:39when a famous painter,
36:41Swedish musician and film producer,
36:44Friedrich Jürgenson,
36:46wanted to record the singing of the birds with his tape recorder.
36:49Later, when listening to the tapes,
36:51Jürgenson found blurred human voices.
36:54From this casual discovery,
36:56thousands of similar records have been obtained,
36:59which, in the opinion of parapsychologists and spiritualists,
37:02would be of people already dead.
37:04They are the so-called psychophonies.
37:06I remember, for example, the one that said,
37:09Yes, I also have it here to show you,
37:11because it really is amazing.
37:13The clarity with which this psychophony is heard
37:16is not comparable.
37:18Let's listen to it.
37:24It's as if there was a mixture,
37:26kill him, kill her.
37:28It's as if it were a change.
37:31And that's when we realized
37:33that we were facing a very complex phenomenon.
37:36Some psychophonic records are really shocking,
37:39like this psychophony
37:41in which researchers believe they understand this phrase in Latin.
37:52The dense mantle of the controversy
37:54has always fallen on psychophony.
37:56And that is, how can we distinguish
37:58that it is a psychophony and not environmental noise
38:01or our own voices recorded accidentally?
38:04The human voice is constituted
38:06by a sequence of sound waves.
38:08It is part of the fundamental frequency,
38:10which are low frequencies,
38:12and the high frequencies, which are harmonic.
38:14Psychophonies have an absence of fundamental frequency,
38:17there is an absence of consonants,
38:19and they lack emotion.
38:21Sometimes psychophonies have been answered
38:23to questions asked by the researcher.
38:25Basically, it consists of a dialogue
38:27in real time between the experimenter
38:29and those mysterious voices.
38:31One way is to ask questions
38:33and to contextualize the answers with the questions.
38:36You need a recording of more than 10 seconds
38:38and that contains physical vowels.
38:40Obtaining this type of telegraphic response,
38:42we really know that this is a psychophony.
38:45A lot of experiments have been done,
38:47psychophonies have even been recorded
38:49inside Faraday's cameras,
38:51which inside is quite difficult
38:54for any type of radioelectric frequency to enter.
38:57I had the opportunity
38:59to participate in a scientific project
39:01at the University of Vigo,
39:03and in front of a team of all kinds of engineers,
39:06quantum physicists,
39:08we have had intelligent answers
39:10to the questions that have been asked
39:12and it has passed any scientific test.
39:14The origin of this phenomenon,
39:16by linking it with quantum physics,
39:18those supposed entities,
39:20or those supposed energies
39:22that would be responsible for the voices,
39:24would live in other dimensions
39:26of space-time.
39:28Psychophony is one of so many tests
39:31that can be applied as tests
39:33of beyond death,
39:35of other spiritual planes,
39:37of other concepts of life
39:39that exist parallel to us.
39:41There are many opinions
39:43that say that psychophony
39:45is the result of a contact with deceased people.
39:48I really don't know.
39:50For me, they are connections
39:52with a reality of different existence
39:54or with different planes,
39:56but we don't have a clear demonstration of it.
39:59The psychophonic phenomenon
40:01often appears linked to a place,
40:03to a sinister enclave
40:05where emotions overflowed.
40:07Tragedy made an appearance
40:09and psychic energy impregnated everything,
40:11as if the sound had been trapped in the walls.
40:14However, for the disconcert of researchers,
40:16the results obtained
40:18are not always repeatable,
40:20not at least until the appearance
40:22of the TCI techniques,
40:24the Transcommunication Instrumental.
40:26In the mid-1980s,
40:28the German researcher Klaus Schreiber
40:30opened this new and spectacular stage
40:32in the parapsychological research
40:34through the use of an electronic support,
40:36the TCI.
40:38These very soon profiled
40:40as an effective formula
40:42of supposed contact with the beyond.
40:44The voices and faces obtained
40:46seemed to fit, at least,
40:48with the identity of deceased people.
40:50But it's not always like that.
40:52We are transmitting images
40:54apart from the psychophonic psychoimages
40:56where we can see other beings
40:58who left for the beyond
41:00and are recognizable.
41:02In the psychoimages,
41:04a circuit is created between a camera
41:06and a TV.
41:08This produces a feedback effect.
41:10This is where those faces
41:12or landscapes or images in motion
41:14are reconfigured.
41:16Nowadays, it is as disconcerted
41:18as psychophony itself.
41:20In the past,
41:22psychophonic psychoimages
41:24were recorded directly
41:26with the camera on the TV screen
41:28while their sound equipment
41:30recorded psychophonic inclusions.
41:32For example,
41:34the microbiologist Sinésio Darnel
41:36swept for days a narrow strip
41:38of the 16 MHz band.
41:40And when he was about to leave,
41:42a man's voice appeared
41:44saying the following.
41:47At this point,
41:49who manifests through the methods
41:51we have shown in these minutes?
41:53What if it were not the deceased?
41:55Could we deny the possibility
41:57that there are other explanations?
41:59I think that nowadays
42:01we cannot deny the reality
42:03of the psychophonic phenomenon
42:05regardless of its cause.
42:07With whom we come in contact
42:09is neither more nor less than with the souls
42:11of those beings
42:13who left to the spiritual world
42:15That is a blessing,
42:17it is a wonder to know
42:19that we will not be alone.
42:21A psychophony does not have to indicate
42:23a contact with the beyond.
42:25What I can assure you is that
42:27when you capture a good psychophony,
42:29the answers are always intelligent.
42:31We contact all of Feber
42:33with deceased beings
42:35because all the data
42:37are the ones that converge
42:39in this hypothesis.
42:41I have been able to check
42:43why they left before,
42:45because they have provided
42:47specific data, specific dates,
42:49specific names,
42:51and of course it is very clear
42:53that life goes on
42:55and that we are here circumstantially.
42:57If in the face of a paranormal event,
42:59like a paraphony of physical effects,
43:01we do not find the cause,
43:03discarding fraud,
43:05we do not find the cause
43:07at the ontological level
43:09where the event occurs,
43:11since there can be no effect
43:13without a cause,
43:15the cause has to be at another level.
43:19Is there life after death?
43:21Are the spirits who speak
43:23through the mediums
43:25and are recorded by means
43:27of transcommunication techniques?
43:29Or is it all an invention,
43:31a game of our mind to hide
43:33fear and frustration before death?
43:35However, if the mediums
43:37and experimenters are right,
43:39the chance that what is there
43:41is better than what we leave
43:43is sometimes patented
43:45through the cold and technological
43:47fingerprint of a simple recorder.
43:49Maybe it's our particular burning nail,
43:51maybe we should hold on to it
43:53with force.